fast & Furious. Can it get worse?

Discussion in 'Tin Foil Hat Lounge' started by Opinionated, Aug 17, 2011.

  1. Opinionated

    Opinionated Monkey+

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  2. BAT1

    BAT1 Cowboys know no fear

    Yes it gets worse those SOB's were promoted!
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  3. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Totally un-F'ing believable:

    <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="newsHead1" align="center">ATF Rewards Agents Who Ran "Fast and Furious" and Then Helped Cover It Up</td></tr><tr><td>
    </td></tr><tr><td class="copy">Friday, August 19, 2011</td></tr><tr><td>
    </td></tr><tr><td class="copy"> In what can only be described as "Washington D.C. logic," the three BATFE agents who were responsible for the "Fast and Furious" debacle in Phoenix have been promoted.
    You read that right, promoted! Not reprimanded, not demoted and certainly not fired, but given bigger jobs with more responsibility and more pay.
    Each of the agents now have high profile positions in D.C. William Newell is now special assistant to the assistant director of the agency's Office of Management, David Voth has been made branch chief for the BATFE's tobacco division.
    And if those two promotions seem hard to understand, the third is particularly hard to fathom. William G. McMahon, who had been the BATFE's deputy director of operations in the West, has been made the deputy assistant director of the Office of Professional Responsibility and Security Operations. That is the division within BATFE that investigates misconduct by agency personnel.
    Now, McMahon will be called on to investigate BATFE agents who abuse their positions. Perhaps in "Washington D.C. logic" it makes sense to put a rogue agent in charge of investigating other rogue agents. To the rest of the country, it makes no sense at all.
    For months, the Department of Justice and the BATFE have stonewalled congressional inquiries into "Fast and Furious." These three agents were not only at the center of running the failed operation in Phoenix, but directly aided DOJ in the efforts to hide the truth from Congress.
    In testimony before Rep. Darrell Issa's House Oversight Committee, all three evaded and dodged questions. This appears to be exactly what senior DOJ officials wanted and expected, and now they have rewarded the agents with promotions.
    NRA has called for the resignation of attorney General Eric Holder. But all those involved in "Fast and Furious" should be fired. To promote them instead is a slap in the face of Congress and the American people.
  4. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    You just have to understand.... They were just doing what their Bosses in DC, wanted them to do... Just because it Blew up in their Faces... Why should that get in the way of their professional advancement... These guys did the Bosses bidding, and got rewarded for it, plain and simple.... You have to have worked in a Federal Agency to understand. Congress is so split that they could hold hearings, till the LORD Returns, and No action will ever come of it. This is the reality of our Federal Government. Get used to it..... YMMV....
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  5. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    BT -Wanted to put a like on your post, but what it is saying about .goob is their typical BS. I just can not do it.
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  6. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Did the firearms leave the US and comeback or did they stay here??

    IF the ATF doesn't know the answer; the ATF lost track of the straw buyers after the straw buyers made the purchase.
    It is possible the whole operation was nothing but a political ploy to put guns in the hands of criminals to create a crisis; a "never let a crisis go to waste" moment to ban or increase firearms regulations.

    Another oddity, the ATF hasn't made any arrests as a result of operation "fast and furious".

    People need to write their Congress person.
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  7. radpug

    radpug Monkey+

    Well all those nazis who were just following orders shouldn't have been
    In prisoned or killed after ww2 following that logic.
  8. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    There is a GIANT difference between what these fellows did, in Phoenix, and what the Nazi's did in WWII. If you can't see that, well that is your problem, certainly NOT mine. These fellows did NOT, Torture, or KILL, anyone. They did not Gas, Brutalize, Forcibly Relocate, or any of the things the Nazi's were convicted of. If they had, they would have been prosecuted, to the fullest extent of the LAW of our Land. What they did is allow others to break our Laws, and then lost track of the products they were supposed to be watching. Last time I checked, that is not a Capital Offense, or even prosecutable, in many cases. My Opinion, and I do NOT defend their actions in the slightest..... YMMV....
  9. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    The Field agents should have blown the whistle on their handlers; now because of their actions Americans and Mexicans have been killed or maimed.

    No matter it is sliced; they and their handler's are accessories to those crimes.
  10. radpug

    radpug Monkey+

    Yes you are defending them.
    The following orders says so, and that it's okay they got promoted.
    Encourage others to break the law is a crime.
    How many people are going to end up victims from those gun sales?

    My example still applies, but it must have hit a nerve.

    It's funny how people want law and order but for it not to apply to
    The very people that are suppose to protect us.
  11. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    But that is NOT who YOU compared them with.... You compared them with Nazi Concentration Camp Guards, and SS Butchers.... and that Sonny, is Apples and Oranges... Two totally different things...
    No, I am NOT defending their actions. I am saying that they were promoted, because that is the way the US Government Agencies WORK. You do what the Bosses ask, and you get promoted. That is the reality of the ISSUE, PERIOD. NO, I do not like it, but that is the way it works. I never said, I agreed with the promotions, I said that I understand how it could happen. Just WHICH Federal Prosecutor do you think is going to step up and prosecute these guys for ANYTHING? Name him.... because if he did, he would be on the bricks faster than S**t thru a Goose.... ALL Federal Prosecutors work at the pleasure of the President of the USA, Period, and he can fire them at will, at his pleasure. That is the LAW of the Land. Reality.... Period...
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  12. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Official meme of F&F and just a reminder. More than 10 years later, no one (in the US at least) has been charged with or fired because of anything related to fast and furious.
    Last edited: May 3, 2023
  13. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    You're not going to believe this.
    And I bet a budlight it's the craziest shit you'll hear today.
    "Fast and furious isn't over, it's still happening"

    First it was 1,600 guns, then 2,000 now it's probably more.

    Maybe, just maybe 4473s, serial numbers and being able to to trace a gun isn't an entirely bad thing...
    Last edited: May 3, 2023
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