FBI arrests former Marine for views contrary to Obummer Obamanation

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by tacmotusn, Aug 19, 2012.


  1. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    Seems a former Marine was dissappeared for current administration determined extremist views publicly stated. This might not bode well for quite a few of us.
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    http://offgridsurvival.com/formermarinearrestedforblogposts/ full text below
    click on don't tread on me link below in 1st sentence also plus watch/listen to the video.
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    According to a report over at dont-tread-on.me, one of their contributing writers was taken into custody late last night after his home was raided by The Police, FBI and Secret Service.
    Brandon Raub, a former Marine and contributor to the Don’t Tread on Me Blog, was taken into custody and is now being held at the John Randolph Mental Hospital. His mother, who spoke to the blog, suggested that her son may have been arrested for a series of Facebook and blog posts where he talked about being prepared for a coming revolution.
    Brandon Raub was part of a grassroots Liberty Movement in Richmond, Virginia. In one of his blog postings he said his group stood for: Personal Freedoms, Respect for the Rule of Law and the Constitution, and Sound Money.
    His mother says she was told by the F.B.I. that they believed her son was making Facebook postings that were “terrorist in nature”. She says that “they showed up inquiring about his postings on Facebook, and then they just took him away.
    Here is A Video Interview with his Mother from the Don’t Tread on Me Site:
    A couple of months ago we warned that the F.B.I. considered anyone who questions the government to be a potential terrorist. In fact, they even held a Press Conference where they warned law enforcement agencies across the country about the growing threat of so called “Anti-government extremists” who believe in personal responsibility and oppose taxes and government regulations.
     
  2. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Yep, the stranglehold on free speech continues.
    Careful what venues you use to voice your opinions .. that's what TPTB want.
    Soon the chilling effect will silence all those that oppose the new world order.

    wow, just typing that puts a bad taste in my mouth. I guess the 1st amendment is no longer in force here in the states.
     
  3. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    And so...... it begins. [OO]
     
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  4. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Have started refering to my "buddies" ideas instead of my own. That way I am not incriminating myself or giving them something to use against me. What my buddies believe/espouse and what I believe/say are two different things. Everyone, it seems may have to have buddies like this if nobammy continues his reign of atrocities--That is what my buddy said--lol.
     
  5. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    The following is from Brandon Raubs facebook page. It appears this has been blocked or deleted by someone. I got this from another source. This was my source http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...eteran-Brandon-Raub-arrested-last-night/page3
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    Brandon's Notes
    Notes About Brandon
    Browse Notes
    Friends' Notes
    Pages' Notes
    My Notes
    My Drafts
    Notes About Me

    The Truth
    by Brandon J Raub on Friday, November 11, 2011 at 7:00am ·
    America has lost itself. We have lost who we truly are. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave. This is the land of Thomas Jefferson. This is the land of Benjamin Franklin. This is the land of Fredrick Douglas. This is the land of Smedley Butler. This is the land John F. Kennedy. This is the land of Martin Luther King. This is the land where the cowboy wins. This is the land where you can start from the bottom and get to the top. This is the land where regardless of you race and ethnicity you can suceed and build a better life for you and your family. This is the land where every race coexists peacefully. This is the land where justice wins. This is the land where liberty dwells. This is the land where freedom reigns. This is the land where we help the poor, and people help eachother. This is land where people beat racism.

    The federal reserve is wrong. They have designed a system based off of gread and fear. They designed a system to crush the middle class between taxes and inflation. This is wrong, and it is unjust. It is wrong.

    We have allowed ourselves to be devieced and seduced by the powers of the printing press. It is not a good system. It discourages saving: the foundation for all stable economic activity. The federal reserve is artificially manipulating interests rates and creating phony economic data. This thing has decieved our entire nation.

    They created it 1913. They also created the income tax in 1913. They encouraged the growth of debt so they can tax you on it. There is interest on the debt. Your government is in bed with these people. They want to enslave you to the government so that they can control every aspect of your lives. It is an empire based on lies. They operate of greed and fear.

    There is a better way. It's called freedom. Freedom is called a lot of things. But there is a true meaning. It means very simply that you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you are not infringing on the feedoms of other people.

    I firmly believe that God set America apart from the other nations of the world. He saved a place where people could come to to escape bad systems of goverment. This system we have created works. It really works.

    There is evil going on all around the world. The United States was meant to lead the charge against injustice, but through our example not our force. People do not respond to having liberty and freedom forced on them.

    Men and Women follow courage. They follow leadership, and courage. Our example has paved the way for people all around the world to change their forms of goverment.

    Force is not the way because liberty is a powerful concept. The idea that men can govern themselves is the basis for every just form of government.

    We can govern ourselves. We do not need to be governed by men who want to install a one world banking system. These men have machine hearts. Machine and unnatural hearts. They have blocked out the possibility of a better world. They fear human progress. They have monopolies on everything.

    This life can be free and beautiful. There are enough resources on this earth to support the world's population. There are enough resources on this earth to feed everyone. There is enough land for everyone to own their own land and farm, and produce their own energy.

    These people have been hiding technology. There are ways to create power easily. There is technology that can provide free cheap power for everyone. There are farming techniques that can feed the entire world.

    They are controlling your media. They have dumbed you down through your school systems. They have systematically dismantled the constitution. It is in rags.

    The bill of rights is being systematically dismantled. Men have spilled their blood for those rights.

    Your sons and daughters, your brothers and sisters, and Americas best young men and women are loosing their limbs. They are loosing their lives. They are loosing the hearts. They do not know why they are fighting. They are killing. And they do not know why.

    They have done some extroadinary acts. Their deeds go before them. But these wars are lies. They are lies. They decieved our entire nation with terrorism. They have gotten us to hand them our rights. Our Rights! Men died for those rights!

    September Eleventh was an inside job. They blew up a third building in broad daylight. Building 7.

    Your leaders betrayed you.

    You elected an aristocracy. They are beholden to special interests. They were brainwashed through the Council on Foreign Relations. Your leaders are planning to merge the United States into a one world banking system. They want to put computer chips in you.

    These men have evil hearts. They have tricked you into supporting corporate facism. We gave them the keys to our country. We were not vigilant with our republic.

    There is hope. BUT WE MUST TAKE OUR REPUBLIC BACK.
     
  6. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

  7. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

  8. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    "Extremist" views? Going by that they could come for half on this one forum alone. VFW and Legion halls all around the country would close due to lack of members. Some say 800 detention............sorry,"emergency relief"centers or designated areas already exist. Wouldn't be nearly enough to hold all the so-called domestic terrorist by their own definition. Going by Brandon Raub's words it seems a man they call terrorist I call a patriot. I could write more but it's a nice day and I think I'll see if I can recover one of my sunken boats. If they don't haul me off for having bad thoughts concerning my government caring so much about my welfare they would imprison me to protect me from myself first.
     
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  9. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    You have pretty much hit the nail on the head ..... straight and true! This could be just about any of us here at Survival Monkey. Think about it.
     
  10. Idahoser

    Idahoser Monkey+++ Founding Member

    let me tell you how to do that. First, you put something in the way, to slow the fedgov from doing whatever the he!! it wants to do. The only thing that did that effectively was to have a force equal and opposite to them, and that was when the states wanted to keep their power instead of the fedgov taking it. But, they no longer had that ability when their representation was taken away and twisted into a second, perverted house of representatives, competing with the legitimate representatives of The PEOPLE to bribe you with your own money.

    If you want a republic again, give the states their representation back. The rest is BS without that.
     
  11. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    Brandon Raub update with links and text because link have a way of being disappeared.
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    Former Marine Brandon Raub Sentenced To Up To 30 Days In Psych Ward Over Facebook Posts
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    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/former-marine-brandon-raub-is-being-held-in-a-psychiatric-ward-over-facebook-posts-about-911-2012-8#ixzz248k4pH5V
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    The former Marine who was detained in connection with Facebook posts critical of the government is being held in a psychiatric ward, Peter Bacqué of the Richmond Times-Dispatch reports.
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    "I'm currently in John Randolph in the psychiatric ward being held against my will," Brandon Raub, 26, said in a telephone interview with the Times-Dispatch. "They were concerned about me calling for the arrest of government officials."
    Raub accused the government of lying about 9/11 and spoke of "starting a Revolution."
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    Lawyers from The Rutherford Institute represented Brandon Raub during the three-hour hearing today at the John Randolph Medical Center and released a statement, saying Raub has been sentenced to "up to 30 days’ further confinement in a VA psych ward" after "government officials again pointed to Raub’s Facebook posts as the sole reason for their concern and for his continued incarceration."
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    According to Raub's mother, authorities from the FBI, Secret Service and Chesterfield County PD came to their door on Thursday evening, questioned Raub about his Facebook posts, then handcuffed him and placed him in a Chesterfield PD squad car before taking him to John Randolph Psychiatric Hospital in Hopewell, Va.
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    Both the FBI and Secret Service said Raub was not arrested or charged, but the Rutherford Institute statement points out that "if the police have put handcuffs on you and you’re being held against your will, that qualifies as an arrest."
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    When asked about why Raub was placed in a psychiatric ward, FBI Richmond spokeswoman told us that the FBI "had nothing to do with that" and that the FBI typically doesn't "make determinations such as that."
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    "We went out to interview him because of complaints that our office had received about people coming across his posts and perceiving them as threatening so our office along with Chesterfield County Police Department on Thursday," Rybiski told us. "When we left we had not arrested him, we had not placed our hands on him, we did not detain him and we did not charge him."
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    Secret Service spokesman Brian Leary said: "The Secret Service assisted the FBI with the interview. He was not arrested by the Secret Service. The Secret Service will continue to monitor the situation. We have no further comment at this time."
    The Chesterfield PD – who had previously said the situation "was an FBI matter and we were just there to assist them" – released this statement (emphasis ours):
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    Chesterfield Police assisted federal authorities in their efforts to interview Brandon J. Raub on Thursday, Aug. 16. After speaking to Raub, officers believed him to be in need of further evaluation.
    Chesterfield officers at the scene contacted Chesterfield Mental Health Crisis Intervention. Crisis workers recommended that police take Raub into custody and bring him in for evaluation.
    Chesterfield police took Raub into custody for evaluation in accordance with Virginia State Code § 37.2-808 Emergency custody.
    Raub was placed in handcuffs after he resisted officers’ attempts to take him into custody.
    Raub was evaluated by a Chesterfield mental health official, who determined that he should be held under a temporary [detention] order and transported to John Randolph Medical Center for additional evaluation.
    Raub was not arrested and he faces no criminal charges in Chesterfield.
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    The Virginia statute states that a mental health professional can decide to issue a temporary detention order if "it appears ... that the person (i) has a mental illness and that there exists a substantial likelihood that, as a result of mental illness, the person will, in the near future, (a) cause serious physical harm to himself or others as evidenced by recent behavior causing, attempting, or threatening harm and other relevant information, if any, or (b) suffer serious harm due to his lack of capacity to protect himself from harm or to provide for his basic human needs, (ii) is in need of hospitalization or treatment, and (iii) is unwilling to volunteer or incapable of volunteering for hospitalization or treatment."
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    It should be noted that the authority on whether or not Raub displayed signs of mental illness lies with the trained Chesterfield mental health official or officials who evaluated him in person.
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    "I really love America, and I think that idea that you can be detained and sent somewhere without due process and a lawyer … is crazy," Raub said.
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    Raub said he served as a Marine in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2005 to 2011, was a combat engineer sergeant and does not own a gun. His mother said he returned from Afghanistan about a year ago and does not have PTSD or violent tendencies.
    Raub wrote five articles about economics and the Richmond Liberty Movement for the website Don't Tread On Me and his Linked-In profile says he owns a small coin business through the Numis Network.
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    John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute, said the following: “For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon.
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    This should be a wake-up call to America that the POLICE STATE is here !!!"
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    http://www.nbc12.com/story/19322410/rutherford-institute-statement-on-brandon-raub
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    Rutherford Institute statement on Brandon Raub
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    The full text of the press release issued by the Rutherford Institute,
    which is defending former Chesterfield Marine Brandon Raub:
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    CHESTERFIELD, VA— The Rutherford Institute has come to the defense of a former Marine, 26-year-old Brandon Raub, who was arrested, detained indefinitely in a psych ward and forced to undergo psychological evaluations based solely on the controversial nature of lines from song lyrics, political messages and virtual card games which he posted to his private Facebook page. Although the FBI and Chesterfield County police have not charged Brandon Raub, a resident of Chesterfield County, Va., with committing any crime, they arrested Raub on Thursday, August 16, 2012, and transported him to John Randolph Medical Center, where he was held against his will due to alleged concerns that his Facebook (FB) posts were controversial and "terrorist in nature." In a hearing held at the hospital, government officials disregarded Raub's explanation that the Facebook posts were being interpreted out of context, sentencing him up to 30 days' further confinement in a VA psych ward. In coming to Raub's defense, Rutherford Institute attorneys are challenging Raub's arrest and forcible detention, as well as the government's overt Facebook surveillance and violation of Raub's First Amendment rights.
    "For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon. This should be a wake-up call to Americans that the police state is here," said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute. "Brandon Raub is no different from the majority of Americans who use their private Facebook pages to post a variety of content, ranging from song lyrics and political hyperbole to trash talking their neighbors, friends and government leaders."
    Brandon Raub, a former Marine who has served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, was detained by FBI agents and police officers at his home in Chesterfield County based upon the nature of content posted to his Facebook page in recent months. Like many Facebook users, Raub uses his FB page to post songs lyrics and air his political opinions, as well as engage in virtual online games with other users. On Thursday, August 16, police and FBI agents arrived at Raub's home, asking to speak with him about his Facebook posts. They did not provide Raub with a search warrant. Raub was cooperative and agreed to speak with them. Without providing any explanation, levying any charges against Raub or reading him his rights, law enforcement officials then handcuffed Raub and transported him first to the police headquarters, then to John Randolph Medical Center, where he was held against his will. Outraged onlookers filmed the arrest and posted the footage to YouTube. Law enforcement officials have stated in press reports that Raub was not arrested. However, as attorney John Whitehead points out, if the police have put handcuffs on you and you're being held against your will, that qualifies as an arrest. In a hearing before a judge on August 20, government officials again pointed to Raub's Facebook posts as the sole reason for their concern and for his continued incarceration. Ignoring Raub's explanations about the fact that the FB posts were being read out of context and his attorney's First Amendment defense, the judge agreed that Raub should be incarcerated at a VA hospital for up to 30 more days. Rutherford Institute attorneys are working to challenge Raub's detention and the highly unconstitutional nature of the government's actions.
    The Rutherford Institute, a nonprofit civil liberties organization, provides legal assistance at no charge to individuals whose constitutional rights have been threatened or violated.
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    Another take on the same as above. All these are posted here as released to public, 9 hrs ago, 5 hrs ago, and 4 hrs ago.
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    Attorneys for the Chesterfield Marine veteran who has been detained since Thursday over alleged Facebook posts released a statement Monday afternoon.
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    The Rutherford Institute, a nonprofit civil liberties group, is representing 26-year-old Brandon Raub.
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    Here is the group’s complete, unedited statement on the incident: My words (tacmotusn) someone should have had a tape recorder as these two supposedly complete and unedited statements do not match word for word.
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    The Rutherford Institute has come to the defense of a former Marine, 26-year-old Brandon Raub, who was arrested, detained indefinitely in a psych ward and forced to undergo psychological evaluations based solely on the controversial nature of lines from song lyrics, political messages and virtual card games which he posted to his private Facebook page.
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    Although the FBI and Chesterfield County police have not charged Brandon Raub, a resident of Chesterfield County, Va., with committing any crime, they arrested Raub on Thursday, August 16, 2012, and transported him to John Randolph Medical Center, where he was held against his will due to alleged concerns that his Facebook (FB) posts were controversial and “terrorist in nature.”
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    In a hearing held at the hospital, government officials disregarded Raub’s explanation that the Facebook posts were being interpreted out of context, sentencing him up to 30 days’ further confinement in a VA psych ward.
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    In coming to Raub’s defense, Rutherford Institute attorneys are challenging Raub’s arrest and forcible detention, as well as the government’s overt Facebook surveillance and violation of Raub’s First Amendment rights.
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    “For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon.
    .
    This should be a wake-up call to Americans that the police state is here,” said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute.
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    “Brandon Raub is no different from the majority of Americans who use their private Facebook pages to post a variety of content, ranging from song lyrics and political hyperbole to trash talking their neighbors, friends and government leaders.”
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    Brandon Raub, a former Marine who has served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, was detained by FBI agents and police officers at his home in Chesterfield County based upon the nature of content posted to his Facebook page in recent months.
    .
    Like many Facebook users, Raub uses his FB page to post songs lyrics and air his political opinions, as well as engage in virtual online games with other users.
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    On Thursday, August 16, police and FBI agents arrived at Raub’s home, asking to speak with him about his Facebook posts. They did not provide Raub with a search warrant. Raub was cooperative and agreed to speak with them. Without providing any explanation, levying any charges against Raub or reading him his rights, law enforcement officials then handcuffed Raub and transported him first to the police headquarters, then to John Randolph Medical Center, where he was held against his will.
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    Outraged onlookers filmed the arrest and posted the footage to YouTube. Law enforcement officials have stated in press reports that Raub was not arrested. However, as attorney John Whitehead points out, if the police have put handcuffs on you and you’re being held against your will, that qualifies as an arrest.
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    In a hearing before a judge on August 20, government officials again pointed to Raub’s Facebook posts as the sole reason for their concern and for his continued incarceration.
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    Ignoring Raub’s explanations about the fact that the FB posts were being read out of context and his attorney’s First Amendment defense, the judge agreed that Raub should be incarcerated at a VA hospital for up to 30 more days.
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    Rutherford Institute attorneys are working to challenge Raub’s detention and the highly unconstitutional nature of the government’s actions.
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  12. NWPilgrim

    NWPilgrim Monkey++

    Hopefully he will get out with no govt administered psychotopic drug induced hallucinations and drooling , and sue the pants off the PD, city, mayor, judge, and psychiatrist.
     
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  13. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    If it was "Me" I would be finding the nearest Federal District Court, and filing a Writ of Habius Corpus, ASAP, and make the FEDs, and the Local County Cops, back up their claims, in front of a Federal Judge, not some local Political Hack.... Then I would be filing Federal Civil Rights Violations, against each, and every, person who was at the Guys House, and each and every Person who was Supervising those idiots, that were at his House, Personally, and their respective Departments, in general. Make it Personal for those dudes. Make them put their Personal Skin in the Game. If HE WINS, it will put a Giant Damped on this Kind of BS, in a very BIG Hurry... ...... YMMV....
     
  14. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    "And hold on to the dream
    A place to stay
    Enough to eat
    Somewhere old heroes shuffle safely down the street
    Where you can speak out loud
    About your doubts and fears
    And whats more no-one ever disappears
    You never hear their standard issue kicking in your door..." - Gunner's Dream by Pink Floyd

    Speak and it will haunt or hurt you. Do as we say and hold your tongue. Keep yourself in line or we'll do it for you. Do not bother us for we know what is good for you. = Standard rhetoric and mind numbing dreck.
     
  15. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    State's retention of their rights was a major concern of the constitution. Those have been siphoned off of late.
     
  16. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    Sounds as if this is an action to determine how much push back it generates. "Are they ready to file into the ovens on their own yet"
     
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  17. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    In looking over his wall, it looks like it could be any one of us, with a few vague statements like:


    The Revolution is here. And I will lead it.

    The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it. wink.

    Sharpen up my axe; I'm here to sever heads.
    There are 10,000+ posts a day equivalent to his post --- Obviously THEY ARE USING HIM AS AN EXAMPLE to instill FEAR in the population. And its working.
    wink. wink.
     
  18. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Where is Broker?????;)
     
  19. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member


    Brandon being taken away.

     
  20. Sapper John

    Sapper John Analog Monkey in a Digital World

    People tend to forget that this tactic has been in use for many years by National governments as a way to shut -up opponents of thier policies...Russia,China,Cuba,and virtually every other communist country or dictatorship! It is considered a more "Humane" metod of dealing with people besides putting a bullet in the back of ones head!
     
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