FBI arrests former Marine for views contrary to Obummer Obamanation

"Nobody" arrested him yet he is handcuffed and taken to the police dept. Might be a real good thing that he did not own a firearm--or maybe not. Somethings are worth defending--to the max.

 

They went after Nugent for what he said, but to high profile of a person to put away for evaluation and would have started a S storm. So go after people that are not well known to scare the sheeple into submission. I have been emailing the info on this to everyone I know so info on this gets out.

 

I found this this morning. The first time I know of that it was widely reported on Major Media news.
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By Jason Ryan
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Aug 21, 2012 7:35pm


Former Marine Detained After Alleged Facebook Threats

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A 26 year old former Marine has been ordered to undergo a psychiatric evaluation after being detained for alleged threats he made on Facebook. Brandon Raub, who lives in Chesterfield, Virginia, was detained last Thursday after being questioned by law enforcement about his postings.
“Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads.” Raub posted to Facebook on August 13, 2012. The post appears to be a lyric from the band Swollen Members and its song “Bring Me Down.”
The case has pitted First Amendment freedoms against potential security concerns. Raub, who served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, was questioned by the FBI, U.S. Secret Service and Chesterfield County Police last Thursday and was then taken into custody by the Chesterfield County Police Department. At a court hearing on Monday Raub was ordered to be detained for mental evaluation for 30 days. Court records on Raub only showed traffic violations. A Facebook group supporting Raub already has over 5,800 supporters.
“For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon. This should be a wake-up call to Americans that the police state is here,” said John Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute, which is serving as counsel for Raub.
“I feel like he’s being unconstitutionally detained.” said Raub’s mother, Cathleen Thomas, in an interview with ABC News. Thomas said her son was a good student and an Eagle Scout who never had any mental health problems. Thomas said that after his six years in the Marines, she never noticed any signs of post-traumatic stress disorder.
“He’s a good kid, he’s a great kid,” Thomas said.
Lawyers representing Raub said they expect to file an appeal of the 30-day detention order and are trying to prevent Raub from being moved more than 3 hours away to a medical facility in Salem, Virginia.
“After speaking to Raub, officers believed him to be in need of further evaluation. Chesterfield officers at the scene contacted Chesterfield Mental Health Crisis Intervention. Crisis workers recommended that police take Raub into custody and bring him in for evaluation.” Col. Thierry Dupuis, Chief of the Chesterfield Police Department, said in a statement.
Virginia law allows police to detain people for mental evaluation under emergency circumstances.
“Raub was placed in handcuffs after he resisted officers’ attempts to take him into custody. Raub was evaluated by a Chesterfield mental health official, who determined that he should be held under a temporary detention order and transported to John Randolph Medical Center for additional evaluation.” Col. Dupuis said.
Raub’s postings on Facebook seem to focus on several conspiracy theories related to the 9/11 attacks and what he says is a coming revolution.
“If you are my friend, you deserve to know the truth. This world is secretly run by a shadow organization of people who among other things enjoy raping children. Some of leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers. It was a sacrifice and a complete inside job. Also the Bush’s [sic] are very sick twisted problems. I believe they have a secret Castle in Colorado where they have been raping and sacrificing children for many years. Think I’m crazy? Think again.” Raub wrote in a July 28, 2012 Facebook post.
“Dear Friends, I know many of you think I’m going crazy, and are wondering just why I have been posting the things I have been posting. I don’t have the energy to explain. Just know that a new beginning is coming.” Raub posted on August 11.
On August 7, 2012 Raub posted to his profile a picture of men in robes by a lake with the caption, ” Do you know that world leaders sacrifice children in robes?”
According to federal law enforcement officials the FBI received several complaints from concerned individuals about Raub’s postings. Certain other Facebook postings that were discussed at a court hearing on Monday for Raub focused on messages allegedly from a closed Facebook group that was not part of Raub’s public Facebook profile.
ABC News was not able to obtain access to those postings.
Following several high profile mass shootings the FBI says it needed to interview Raub.
“It would be horrible for us not to respond to reports and complaints about threats from the public.” Dee Rybiski, spokeswoman for the FBI Richmond field office, said when contacted by ABC News.
Rybiski said that the FBI did not detain Raub despite the assertion from his lawyer that he was arrested by the FBI.
“When we left we had not arrested him, we did not touch him, we did not detain him. There are no charges pending.” Rybiski said.
The Richmond Times Dispatch quoted an Internet posting by a former platoon commander, Sean Lawlor, who served with Raub in Iraq. The paper said that Lawlor called Raub an “excellent Marine” but quoted Lawlor as also saying, “Knowing the man that he is, I believe that he fully intended to act on the threats he was posting…We may never know, but the fact that law enforcement intervened may have kept Brandon from doing something extremely destructive.”

 

Sorry, but this guy needed a mental health eval. The authorities would have been negligent had they not picked him up. We want to scream at LEOs when they don't stop some crazy from acting on his impulses, and we want to scream at them when they do. Sure, there are some abuses of power out there, but this is not one of those situations.

This guy has some issues, and needs to talk to someone. He's right where he should be. My congratulations to the agents who picked him up and took him in for an evaluation.

 

What do you base your opinion on? What indicators do you know of beyond the song lyrics and conspiracy theory posts? I don't see this happening to the left wing ranters and "kill Bush" etc.

I would hope that psych commitment would be based on behavioral indicators, not interwebz posts. I have not read of one account of Raub acting erratic or acting on any threat or having a history if being erratic or violent.

It does dovetail nicely with DHS insistence on military vets being at high risk of domestic terrorism rather than some young Muslim men taking flight lessons.

 

Crazy people are fine. Potentially dangerous, violent people are fine. Potentially dangerous, violent crazy people are not so fine.

I know I was one of the people who asked, "Why wasn't some sort of intervention affected before the nutcase in Colorado murdered innocent people in that theater?" The mental health professional who was seeing him was concerned that he might hurt someone, campus police were notified of this, and then the ball was dropped. Nothing was done. Had he been hauled in for an evaluation, a lot of people who are now dead might be alive.

If this guy wants to believe that the Bush family is involved in some cult operating out of a castle in Colorado, raping and sacrificing children, fine. He can believe whatever he wants.

If he wants to post extremist rants about revolution and post violent song lyrics, as long as he isn't making direct threats, fine.

But taken together, along with his other posts, someone needs to have a chat with the fellow to make sure all the cylinders are firing properly, and that he isn't planning some violent mischief. If they determine that he is not dangerously insane, fine, turn him loose; but wouldn't it be prudent to at least talk to him?

Just because he doesn't like Obama is not a get out of jail free card. There are some indicators in his behavior that should be examined.

 

Bruce, I think you are confusing this arrest with another one. I highlighted with bold the problem with your statement above. Search all the links and videos as long as you like, This guy did not have a gun or any other weapon at the time during the confrontation / questioning prior to him being removed from the premises in handcuffs.
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There was an arrest of a Seattle (suburbs) man who sent an email to the FBI threatening the Usurper who answered the door with a shotgun. Anton was his first name, not Brandon Raub.

 

And now that he has had an involuntary stay in a mental ward. No guns for him! One less veteran that can't shoot back when the jack boots come a knocking.

 

Actually if I were him, I would legally change my name as well as move to muddy the trail, and then buy all the guns I want. Right now there is no direct link between the wacky farms and the Feds for records checks for purchase.

 

A very common technique used in quelling potential unrest, target the opposition leadership or the most vocal opponents, snatch them up and create a chilling effect (fear) so others dare not follow. This is a technique used all the way down the ladder to crowd control. Watch a video in NY regarding OWS and the "Cuffing Circle." The squad leader targets one person, the line does not attack an entire group, one person is targeted, the arrest team moves forward, he is snatched (one person), the line covers while the cuff team circles and hauls him away. This is no difference, it has the same psychological effect.

It's a psyop, if he was considered a REAL threat, they would have raided the house and determined if he had the means to act. They would have confiscated firearms, weapons, computers, notes, books ANYTHING to prove he had the potential to follow through on a "Perceived Threat." The fact they did NOT serve a search warrant, tells me they just wanted to potentially chill the Patriot Movement and or make the man look insane so those who sound, act and behave like him, will be labeled, insane too.

Maybe the "Bugs Life" can clarify a few things, I friend suggested I watch this.

 

Anyone equally stunned that Drudge hasn't picked this one up? I would think they would have jumped all over this.

 

Raub has been released;

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/...l-order-release-marine-veteran-he-ar-2151347/

HOPEWELL, Va. --

A judge today ordered the release of a Marine Corps veteran being detained as a psychiatric patient after concerns over his Facebook postings.

After an hourlong hearing, Circuit Judge W. Allan Sharrett said an involuntary commitment petition issued against Brandon J. Raub was invalid because it contained no allegation or basis to holding him.

"The petition is so devoid of any factual allegations that it could not be reasonably expected to give rise to a case or controversy," said the release order signed by the judge and sought by lawyers Anthony F. Troy and Brian D. Fowler.

Sharrett said that he was shocked by the failure of a magistrate to not include in the order any grounds for holding Raub, a Chesterfield resident who was transferred from John Randolph Hospital in Hopewell to the Salem Veterans Affairs Medical Center.

Cathleen Thomas, Raub's mother, said after the hearing that as soon as an order is entered by the court, she will head to Salem to get her son.

"This is phenomenal." she said. "This could have happened to anyone. We're not about allowing wrongs like this to take place.

"This has never been about anything but freedom of speech.... We're going to continue to post on Facebook."

Thomas said her son is a "true patriot" who gave up military benefits for a back injury so the money could go to another veteran.

Raub, 26, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, was taken into custody last Thursday after the Secret Service, FBI and Chesterfield Police arrived at his North Chesterfield home. An FBI spokesperson said the agency had received inquiries from people concerned about the nature of postings Raub had made on his Facebook page.

Monday he was ordered to be detained for 30 days by a special justice who presides over commitment hearings. Special Justice Walter Douglas Stokes also ordered Raub to be transferred from John Randolph to the VA Hospital in Salem, about 180 miles from his home and family.

The Rutherford Institute, a civil liberties organization based in Charlottesville, challenged Raub's confinement, arguing that he is mentally fit and has become the target of an overzealous, unauthorized police action.

In an interview Raub gave to a radio station from the Hopewell hospital, Raub sounded alert and clear-thinking, at one point urging the public to "educate yourself."

"Find and rediscover the ideas of liberty and freedom," he said "Those are the ideas that make us great as people."

No information has come forward regarding what medical personnel determined is Raub's clinical condition. Raub told the radio station that he talked with assessment personnel for about 25 minutes. It was not clear if Raub was provided with legal counsel or given an opportunity to receive an assessment from a physician of his own choosing.

Facebook postings by Raub generally involved impassioned pleas for a return to American ideals of freedom and independence but also speak of betrayal by elected leaders.

"Your leaders are planning to merge the United States into a one-world banking system," he wrote. "They want to put computer chips in you... these men have evil hearts. They have tricked you into supporting corporate fascism. We gave them the keys to our country. We were not vigilant with our republic."

On Aug. 15, Raub posted that "the Revolution is here. And I will lead it."

He went on to say, "I know many of you think I'm going crazy and are wondering just why I have been posting the things I have been posting," he wrote Aug. 11. "I don't have the energy to explain. Just know that a new beginning is coming."

On Aug. 4 he wrote, "I am standing against a great evil. I will do it all by myself if I have to."

Raub told The Times-Dispatch over the weekend that he served in the Marines from 2005 until 2011 and was a combat engineer sergeant. He said he operates a home-based silver numismatic-coin business.