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Feds, do your job, and leave the States alone

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by tacmotusn, Jun 2, 2012.

  1. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    I am so ticked off at the Meddling Federal Government. Do you know that by the US Constitution you actually have no written right to vote. The States themselves control through their State Constitutions how they states decide who votes and how their electors for Presidential races are divided up.
    Florida is trying to put some common sense to work, and is taking a hard look at it's voter registration lists. Maybe, just maybe, it would actually be a good thing if some attempt was made to prevent people from voting twice, or keeping the dead from voting, or limiting actual citizens to vote, etc etc. Maybe, just maybe the Federal government should cleanup the vast number of criminal abuses in their own house before they illegally try to tell the States how to run theirs.
    Below is an article that caught my eye and started this rant.
    A simple way to help prevent voter fraud and election abuse is for states to purge voter rolls. What does this mean? Getting rid of names on voter rolls of people ineligible to vote such as illegal aliens, dead people, duplicates, etc.
    For nearly a year, Florida election officials have asked the Department of Homeland Security for access to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement database in order to take illegal aliens and non-citizens off Florida voter rolls.
    Not surprisingly, DHS has been dragging its feet and has yet to comply with the request and now, the Department of Justice is stepping into the purging process and ordering Florida, a vital swing state, to stop.

    The Justice Department sent a letter to Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner Thursday evening demanding the state cease purging its voting rolls because the process it is using has not been cleared under the Voting Rights Act,
    Hey Obama, under the Constitution, the States do not have to ask, and it is none of your damn business !!!
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  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    I can't help but think that the state house could do something like completely close and delete the rolls and set up re-registration to re-populate the rolls. In fact, other than the ravings that would result, it seems a good idea.

    It is not at all clear what DHS has to do with state registration anyway.
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  3. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    ICE falls under DHS.

    DHS is dragging its feet because the political climate in DC- Obama wants the illegal votes (since the illegal Hispanic population likes the policies of the Obama administration).

    You see this all the time- ICE and BP are so scared to do their job right now it's ridiculous. Barring a major felon, ICE won't hardly come out for an illegal alien.

    Until there is a change in the administration, this will continue to be an issue.
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  4. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    I got all that. The question then becomes whether or not ICE (as part of DHS) would need to be involved in state voter registration (under the sec of state for the state) at all. Unless, of course, the voter registration folks are so corrupt that something else would have to happen.
  5. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    Yes and no. ICE (DHS) has the skinny on who is illegal and who isn't. I would say it isn't their business to get "involved", but they have the responsibility and commission to 1) export illegals, 2) provide FL with the information they need to keep these guys from voting.

    No enforcement role, but they sure could help FL out.

    ETA: I think we are saying the same thing here.

    ETA #2: After reading the Voter Rights Act, section 5 does state that changes must be reviewed. Like it or not (until 2031). I guess FL could have helped make this right by actually submitting the changes ahead of time.

    To recap, FL should have sent in the plan to purge voter roles in order to get it approved, which likely would have the secondary effect of enforcing ICE to share, and a lot of this could probably be avoided. Of course, that assumes that there isn't enough lean from the big White House to sway appointees from doing the right thing.

    May be a non-issue after NOV.
  6. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member

    If you want to rant on the abuses of the Federal Govt, you'll need several legal pads and pens.

    Not only don't they have the authority to regulate voting, but also LOTS of other things like marriage, the ownership of "federal" lands such as parks, forests, monuments, BLM land, and so on......nor do they have the authority to have established Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and such......to mention just a few.
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  7. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    Not saying that I agree with any of the ^ Federal Programs. There are parts I like and don't like. The Authority to regulate is in the Authority to Legislate. The Authority to Legislate is vested by the Constitution and the Election Process. Does the Constitution state: regulate BLM, Parks, SS, and Medicaid? No. It does allow for the passing of legislation in the regulation of interstate commerce. Everything you mentioned falls under the commerce clause. This interpretation of the commerce clause (thanks or no thanks to Marshall) is where the authority to regulate comes from. The ability for the SC to interpret is granted by the Constitution- judicial review.

    So, someone before you had a different interpretation than yours. It doesn't make it any less legally binding.

    There is some change- we've had a more conservative SC for some time that tends to keep things at the state level. A good thing IMHO. We don't always win, but there are over 200 examples of the SC striking down unconstitutional legislation. We seem to dwell on the ones we don't agree with and overlook the ones that do get struck down.

    I dunno- good with the bad or somewhere in between.[dunno]
  8. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    part two

    The Justice Department ordered Florida’s elections division to halt a systematic effort to find and purge the state’s voter rolls of noncitizen voters.
    Florida’s effort appears to violate both the 1965 Voting Rights Act, which protects minorities, and the 1993 National Voter Registration Act – which governs voter purges – T. Christian Herren Jr., the Justice Department’s lead civil rights lawyer, wrote in a detailed two-page letter sent late Thursday night.
    State officials said they were reviewing the letter. But they indicated they might fight DOJ over its interpretation of federal law and expressed frustration that President Barack Obama’s administration has stonewalled the state’s noncitizen voter hunt for nine months.
    “We are firmly committed to doing the right thing and preventing ineligible voters from being able to cast a ballot,” said Chris Cate, spokesman for Secretary of State Ken Detzner, who was ordered by Gov. Rick Scott to conduct the search for potentially ineligible voters.
    DOJ’s written demand came hours after the agency refused to comment on the matter to The Miami Herald. It also followed a federal court ruling Thursday that struck down a Republican voter-registration law that a judge found too onerous.
    So far, Florida has flagged 2,700 potential noncitizen voters and sent the list to county elections supervisors, who have found the data and methodology to be flawed and problematic.
    The list of potential noncitizen voters – many of whom have turned out to be lawful citizens and voters – disproportionately hits minorities, especially Hispanics.
  9. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member

    The constitution gave Congress the power to regulate commerce between the States.

    Congress and the Supremes have perverted that clause to the point there is no longer even a need FOR the States, as you could claim ANYTHING affects "interstate commerce"......and they have. The Supremes ruled a guy growing wheat on his own farm, not for sale to anyone, only for use to feed his own animals, was restricted on the amount of wheat he could raise, because he was NOT buying wheat affected interstate commerce......so based on that line of thinking, any activity, or NON activity is "interstate commerce".


    I doubt seriously the founding fathers had anything like the current perversion in mind.....or WHY would they have bothered writing the rest of the Constitution ? Why not simply have stated "Congress is the supreme authority of the land and can do anything they want"......and saved a lot of writing.
  10. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    The decisions that granted that power was about 30 years after the founding. 1801-1835 [dunno]

    Many Founders were still alive.
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