Per @Motomom34 FerFal's story would be good to discuss then DL's. FerFal's book is here on the monkey so people can easily access. Sounds good to me. FerFal's Lessons of SHTF in Argentina - True Story ^^^Mash this line to see story^^^ This will take you to the page holding the story. (New link - go to Silver Bear Cafe post set) 11/6/17 - the Silver Bear links are now dead. Don't have any suggestions of where else this might be... Background on 'Fer fal' - a blogger of some note. Fernando “Ferfal” Aguirre - currently living in Spain, has written a book or two on survival in an ongoing urban collapse. In his case, the disaster that is currently called Argentina. His blog and a Google + page continue his look at urban decay world wide. This, I believe, is the real value of Fernando's writings, his view is not centric to one city or country, but seems to encompass a larger landscape if you will - that of the dying City-State. Argentina Argentina (/ˌɑːrdʒənˈtiːnə/ ( listen); Spanish: [aɾxenˈtina]), officially the Argentine Republic[A] (Spanish: República Argentina), is a federal republic in the southern portion of South America. Sharing the bulk of the Southern Cone with its neighbor Chile to the west, the country is also bordered by Bolivia and Paraguay to the north, Brazil to the northeast, Uruguay and the South Atlantic Ocean to the east, and the Drake Passage to the south. With a mainland area of 2,780,400 km2 (1,073,500 sq mi), Argentina is the eighth-largest country in the world, the second largest in Latin America, and the largest Spanish-speaking one. United States is about 4 times bigger than Argentina. Argentina is approximately 2,780,400 sq km, while United States is approximately 9,833,517 sq km. Meanwhile, the population of Argentina is ~44 million people (280 million more people live in United States). Argentina is approximately 2,780,400 sq km, while Canada is approximately 9,984,670 sq km or 4x bigger . Also of note, the population of Argentina is ~44 million people (9 million fewer people live in Canada). Closer, but still smaller. Of note for the upcoming discussions is that Argentina is subdivided into twenty-three provinces (Spanish: provincias, singular provincia) and one autonomous city (ciudad autónoma), Buenos Aires, which is the federal capital of the nation as decided by Congress. The provinces and the capital have their own constitutions, but exist under a federal system. So more like the US and Canada than many would want to admit - on paper. The reality is far different. Based on a Spanish culture and language, the culture is very different than found in North America. For more history of the decline and fall of Argentina - see https://www.economist.com/news/brie...na-was-future-what-went-wrong-century-decline Simon Kuznets, a Nobel laureate, is supposed to have remarked: “There are four kinds of countries in the world: developed countries, undeveloped countries, Japan and Argentina." And so, we may begin.