First aid, CPR, medical - Why get trained?

Discussion in 'Survival Medicine' started by monkeyman, Aug 9, 2005.


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  1. fedorthedog

    fedorthedog Monkey+++

    I have never had more training than basic CPR and first aid. I went 26 years as a leo without doing cpr. I have learned a lot about emergency med by watching the medics work. I joined a volunteer fire dept and ended up with a bunch of experience in emergency medical. This is a great way to find people worth knowing and to learn sh*t that will save you a$$.
     
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  2. alaskachick

    alaskachick A normally quiet snow monkey

    I am reminded of a time I saw a woman crossing the street in West Seattle get hit by a car. I was not a RN at the time, but I did have CPR and 1st Aid training. I went to her side, she was unconscious and not breathing. Her pulse was what I describe now as a nurse, thready and weak, then it seemed non-existent. :) I am thinking the whole time...... "I am going to have to do CPR" repeated in my head several times. I took a deep breath and went into the routine. I lifted her chin (jaw thrust) and she started breathing! I was relieved that I didn't have to do the whole 9 yards, just lift her chin....... but what a wonderful feeling to have helped someone who could have been much worse off if no one knew how to do anything. She did survive and so did I ;)
     
  3. brandonnash

    brandonnash Monkey

    Just saw this thread and since I am new here I thought I would throw in on this.

    After reading the first post I can only hope that you live in a small town because putting someone on hold during a 911 call in a larger city would be an incredible atrocity. Most people think there are hoards of people answering 911 calls and that in most cases is not the case. Small centers may have only 1 or 2 people answering the phones. Most of those places they also have to work the radio while taking calls. So in cases of small centers they do have to put people on hold sometimes. In a large city there should be plenty of people to answer. There are times when even a big city gets backed up but I can't think of an instance where someone would get put on hold. A more likely scenario would be the answer time would be slower. I am very sorry for the loss of the original poster. It sounds like a horrible series of bad events that would lead to such a slow response.

    The hospital should have done more. Inexcusable that they left a patient in a condition like that outside for that long.

    I say all this because I am a 911 dispatcher. I have been doing the job for nearly 13 years. I have experienced more than most would ever want to hear. No one ever wants to be the last person to talk to someone before they die, or to hear a mother cry because her newborn won't wake up, or hear an elderly husband or wife plead to their spouse to not leave them while trying to give CPR instructions.

    The advice I can give to everyone here, especially since this is a survival forum, is to be prepared for the worst at all times on all fronts. From my line of work I can tell you that probably 95% if not more of all 911 calls are life threatening emergencies. And by life threatening I mean where someone may actually die. Think very hard before 911 is called. If you call about your car being broke into and you take the last available operator then while he is trying to give a non emergency number out, someone's grandmother may be also calling because they are having a heart attack and have to wait because of it.

    Take a CPR class. It takes very little time and certification is good for 2 years, but the knowledge will stick for a lifetime and may help save someone some day. Just be prepared for the worst as I said earlier. Its not like in the movies where someone gives a couple puffs of air and a couple pumps on the chest and the person suddenly regains life. Most of the time when they are to the point of CPR it is too late. But you never know. The brain can only last on average 4 minutes without air. Wait too long to do something and the worst can happen.

    Biggest thing is to be prepared. You never know when you may need it.
     
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  4. Finster

    Finster Simplify, I'd say more but this says it all. Site Supporter

    I haven't take a refresher in 30 years, Ill remedy that this month.
     
  5. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    You will be surprised what has changed in 30 years, as well as what has stayed the same...... I was a Professional Ski Patrolman, in my early 20s, (4 decades ago) and as such, held an Advanced FirstAid Card. Now I just listen to Momma, (RN) as she is the Medic for our Household, talk to our Son, who is a Senior Paramedic in SaltLake City. .....
     
  6. Finster

    Finster Simplify, I'd say more but this says it all. Site Supporter

    I totally get it, my wife a Red Cross Volenteer constantly updates her certs, and telling me about her class I gasp at how much changed from my teen years as a medic and first aid squad volunteer.

    I guess the old triangle bandage isn't used for securing people to the stretcher any more?
     
  7. kckndrgn

    kckndrgn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

  8. Kirkscape

    Kirkscape Neophyte Monkey

    Does anyone know any good wilderness medical courses? I want to get a but more out there with my hikes and camping. I know some basic first aid (through work) but there's probably a lot of things I haven't thought of. I found one course that looks pretty good from the review but I like to have as many options as possible.

    Looking forward to your feedback!
     
  9. Flight-ER-Doc

    Flight-ER-Doc Monkey

    SOLO, NOLS, WEMSI all offer the gold-standard courses.
     
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  10. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Alaska has a great course for Bush First Responders....
     
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  11. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

  12. Kirkscape

    Kirkscape Neophyte Monkey

    Thanks I'll take a look!
     
  13. Mac Bolan

    Mac Bolan Monkey

  14. Flight-ER-Doc

    Flight-ER-Doc Monkey

    Wilderness, moreso. Everyone thinks they will be fixing bullet holes when in reality it's more sick call and accidents.
     
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  15. Chuck T

    Chuck T Monkey+

    Find courses and d/l the information.
    American Heart Association-CPR & ECC
    American red Cross - CPR, ECC & 1st Aid
    Taking a class is great if you can get to one and find the time (not that hard to do) or volunteer on a local ambulance part time for the experience. Don't try and do anything more than your comfortable with and isn't appropriate to your level of training (no needle chest decompression for laypersons......) Failing all else having the information in your head, trained or not, certified or not can save a life.
     
  16. Zimmy

    Zimmy Wait, I'm not ready! Site Supporter++

    FEMA has a ton of free online courses that even come with Certificates. I don't think they qualify as Continuing Education, but you can learn a lot at the Awareness Level to be sure.

    I've been CPR trained for 30 years. Thank God I've never had to use it. However, I've used First Aid training from the US Army Expert Medics badge Quals and Red Cross many times over the years.

    I always figured any training you get adds another arrow to your quiver in the battle against chaos.
     
  17. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    Probably another aspect ,that might actually need it's own thread is the psychological trauma that will have to be dealt with in all ages , due to the ravages of war.
    Even soldiers cripple themselves dealing with bodies, not only of the enemy dead or injured but there comrades as well .
    In search and rescue we had counselors if we needed them , after dealing with so many different types of injuries or corpses after a mission . It takes a while to get hardened , and even then, there are times that just get to you .
    Even simple things like taking care of injuries most people have difficulty ,even those with training in first aid don't always handle it well .
     
  18. Hanzo

    Hanzo Monkey+++

    Sorry for your loss, @monkeyman. Even though it has been a while.

    I renew my CPR and First Aid certification every two years. Wish I kept up with my wilderness first aid too.
     
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