For the sake of discussion: what do "they" gain?

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Tango3, Sep 26, 2007.


  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Okay; hash this out:
    Every Alex Jones "**** -storm" video ends in "Martial-law... total enslavement!!!" Just what exactly does that gain TPTB?

    A) "They" get to put who ever they want "in charge"?

    B) "They" can assign a slave population to work in corporate factories( Facilities and tooling for which no longer exist in this country)for pennies a day.?

    c) "They" can implement preemptive undeclared wars for resources?

    d) "They" can chain us to said jobs by manipulating markets and financially locking us into massive consumer debt...

    E) "They"can act above the constitution (law). Not paying taxes on huge earnings..

    I submit: We have willingly submitted to all the bondage (and surrendered all the power) they require to maintain and advance their "position".

    Anybody think of any other realistic benefits of waging economic and hot civil war against the populace?
    [gone][dunno]eek3:whistle:[flag]
     
  2. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I think I might be one of "Them".
     
  3. <exile>

    <exile> Padawan Learner

    This is the best of your list IMO, it is us that allows this to happen.

    I understand the exercise Tango but I'd rather talk about how we counteract what they're doing with those around us, lets publish what we're doing to help those that are the majority and don't realize they've been hatched to provide...nothing more. I'd welcome developing a standardized approach, a McDeprogramming kit, that we can package and offer up to those around us. A kit where we can get maximum exposure with minimum of time, we're all busy but imagine that every time we drive to a city (or if you live in one) if we could get 5 people during that visit (or day) to really think about where they are and what is wrong with this fiasco that is called their life?
     
  4. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Just as a secret society is designed to function, the layers of partakers in this quest for global supremacy are formed. There are the outside rings of participants, most after their own petty goals; they include the typical tyrant, dictator, religious zealot, terrorist, special interest group, corporation and their cartels, pope, evengelist, nazi, Ku Klux Klan, bigot, fool, and moron. These individuals are very useful, and often times further the great work with very little guidance. Working inwards, toward the center of the grand cabal of globalists, we will find more tightly woven groups which include all centers of finance, news media, arms dealers, and the occasional high ranking public official keeping things on track. These people are more dedicated to bringing about a unified world, and many times you can even read their books on the subject.

    At the very center, you may find some very strange people, all certainly deeply embedded in numerous power groups and the occult. These beings truly believe that the human race is incapable of taking care of itself, that we are inadequate and in need of guidance. Some of these inner-most beings look upon the human race as if they were parasites; killing its host (earth) in a feeble attempt to survive. In order to curb the reproduction rate of the species, a few have come up with some really sinister solutions. One of the most common is warfare and all that it brings, but even more insiduous, some of their plans have already been implemented. On occasion, a higher ranking brother may be chosen to infiltrate an organization, and this takes very little effort due to continuous relations kept with corporations and within the political arena. Don't be surprised the next time you vote for a candidate that has been preened and tutored by the very same group of people who believe that you are lab rats.

    Even so, their goals are not "simply" to control you and force you into servitude. The final objective, which will take generations to come, will ultimately prove to be the creation of a civilized species that has its own population growth under control and can progress into space and beyond. It all comes down to the math. As terrible and difficult as this is to accept, on our own, the people of this world will have a very difficult road ahead, given the obstacles in our way. By essentially controlling mankinds' weaknesses and playing us against one another, the elitists essentially curb our potential for failure, making war when necessary and controlling every apsect and both sides in the conflict. Could mankind make its own way, without the "help" of powerful globalist puppetmasters? Quite possibly, but the chances are certainly smaller, and it would take an incredibly larger amount of time.

    Slavery, death camps, war, famine, tyranny -these are all temporary, they are transitory effects, and believed by some to be necessary steps in our controlled evolution.

    The bottom line is this: the loss of a few billion in the long term in order to save the whole is a lot safer and yields "better" results than simply permitting the human race to continue on its own course.

    I often times struggle with it all, to be perfectly honest. Is it worse to kill some people in order to save the whole species, or is it even worse to ignorantly wane out of existence? Naturally, I believe that we may very well be sacrificing our humanity in an attempt to save it.
     
  5. FalconDance

    FalconDance Neighborhood Witch

    Um, I happen to be one of those who believe we humans are like a cancer on the earth, killing what sustains us. But I certainly have no tendencies to the sort of egomaniacal lunacy you describe!

    Tango, you pretty well summed it up - now let's see what we can constructively do to reverse the problem.
     
  6. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    The scientific data proves it, and I am elated that you concur, but also know that humans still have the capacity to live in harmony with the environment and not be a cancer on the earth.

    Nobody said that you did. :) And like it or not -believe it or not, the idea of a One World Order will never die, you can kill as many as you wish.
    The problem lies with each and every individual. Collectively, not much can be done. On a personal level, each human can decide to better themselves, but how likely is that? You may be able to resist or even strike at any force which comes at you, but you will essentially only be fighting the effects, not the "problem" itself. Bottom line: the elitists want to reduce the worlds' population by 2/3rds or greater. Most will not even suspect the real underlying reasons, they will only complain about what they see and hear. Now what? Campaign? Rally? Fight? The people have no substantial enemy -they cannot kill what they cannot see. Armies? They are replenishable. Dictators? A dime a dozen. The problem exists elsewhere, as I have already stated.

    The more I research these things, (and I have for well over 12 years now) the more I see the pieces falling into place. A great book to check out some time is The Grand Chessboard by Zbignew Brzinski. You should know who he is.
     
  7. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    I've read exerpts of ziggy's book here and there, but don't have a copy as yet...I was hoping you'd weigh in Brokor, you seem to have a "global"(big picture) view of all this, I think we get way too caught up in focusing on details,(i.e.mini14/ar/akclone). Lke you mention who is the enemy? How do we counter?, I occasionally settle out of the stratosphere to touch ground and say"wtf-mate ?"and question accepted ideas.

    Put like this it doesn't sound like a bad idea:
    quote brokor:
    "Even so, their goals are not "simply" to control you and force you into servitude. The final objective, which will take generations to come, will ultimately prove to be the creation of a civilized species that has its own population growth under control and can progress into space and beyond." Crab people...Crab people...[LMAO]ohno:
     
  8. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I don't know the answer to a couple of critical questions yet, but I do know that if I were to confide in anybody on these forums and just start posting all kinds of information, it would do more harm than good. I once confided in somebody and told them nearly everything I knew -I left nothing out. I provided the legal documentation to include Senate Reports, CAFR's, Presidential Proclamations, private papers that had been declassified and published, video, audio, all sorts of documents and data, and my own outline which links it all together. Then, I walked him through the story from the beginning, which spans back hundreds of years. I also extrapolated a bit by showing him current statements by world leaders (you would be amazed what is spoken in public and yet goes ignored) and painted a picture of our possible future. When I had assembled all of the pieces, and once the information had time to digest, he contacted me.

    I had no idea what this would do to another person, and to be blunt, this person was severely depressed and even suicidal. The most accurate way to describe suicide is in one word: hopelessness.

    I don't want anybody to feel helpless. And I still struggle each day with not being able to help others to see as I see. Even people like Alex Jones only (openly as far as I know) sees half of the picture. This is in part due to his religious devotion, and his strong national pride and stubborness. Nevertheless, I do not have all of the answers myself, and do not claim to. To be completely honest, I sometimes wish that I did not know what I know, and I wish that I could not see what I see...

    Once a person has been brought to a certain level of understanding, and if they possess the ability to let go of all previous preconceptions, then and only then can that that individual begin to see the patterns of events and occurances for what they really are. This sounds "Matrix-like", I know. Much of what is in the movies really can be applied in some ways, albeit in small pieces. As Einstein would have said, "everything is relative".

    What can you do to fight back? If the goal was to stop what is happening (and I am still not sure that would be the best idea), then attacking the enemy at their most critical areas of power would be the only immediate solution, and this would take a concerted effort to keep from occuring all over again. I have written a book (95% complete, as I may have already mentioned before) on this very subject. I entitled it: "How To Kill The Banks", and it centers itself on eliminating the privately owned Federal Reserve and the IRS. If you want the one, single strongest foothold that the globalists and elitists have on the entire world, it is with money. But, you cannot just demand them to step down, and you certainly cannot expect to work from within a corrupt system. Every avenue of approach for retalliation has been carefully thought out by these people who make money and control nations. They think like theives, like infiltrators and generals and chess champions all in one package. And with years of study, countless hours of simulations in my mind, and literally months of my life spent online questioning people and digging and antagonizing...I finally found a single, solid, yet slim chance on how to strike and how to hurt them.

    And still I remain elusive. Why? Because on what planet, in what galaxy, in what time would people ever decide to place their silly beliefs and petty interests aside and choose to stand as ONE against the darkness? Are they ready? Phaw, perhaps Churchill was right. Maybe it really is best if the people would resist tyranny at the first signs wherever it exists instead of waiting sheepishly until there was less than even a precarious chance of winning. I don't have much to work with, here.
     
  9. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    [applaud]finish and publish that book then drop outta' sight...[peep]
     
  10. <exile>

    <exile> Padawan Learner

    Sometimes people need an adjustment period and their suicidal option is just a reflection on their wanting to escape instead of wanting to deal with it head on.

    This is exactly the question I asked myself that I resolved to stop studying the issue with a serious time investment anymore but instead spend time only on articles and events that affect what I'm trying to accomplish. The only option that seemed would solve the bondage that faces us was violence and honestly I don't have the training and money to pursue 'them' so I've arrived at a place where I'm aware that there are deep undercurrents of deviousness that most people never realize (and I probably don't fully realize) and my only goal is to help people reach an understanding of where things are at so they can benefit without being an unknowing slave to 'the man'

    Well that is my .02 as right or wrong as it may be.

    Good evening.
     
  11. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Thanks for the replies, they are most welcome :)

    If anybody wishes to link more with what is going to happen, please check into the Bolshevik revolution, Lord Milner and his associates, the money links, and all of Gorbachev's statements during and recently after his tenure. When I mention to people how important it is to keep an eye on Russia, they often respond with "But we won the cold war, and the Soviet Union has no armies and weaponry!" -and all I can do is sit silently and wish I never said anything at all...

    How many billionaires does the Soviet Union have now? How many corporations? And their missile defense and military weaponry may not be as obsolete and nonexistent as some may want you to believe. Armies can grow in a very short time, and you would be suprised how many have already been trained in Russia. Very surprised. And don't forget Gorbachev's warning. He blantantly told the world that America will fall asleep while their coutry prepares. And don't forget Russia's allies, either. Remember that when America falls from its grace and favor.

    I keep remembering the movie Red Dawn. Damn, that movie is old, but it does have some realistic applications.
     
  12. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    Brokor is quite correct...

    When the Bolsheviks took power, they used the money from the western, capitalistic power to build their industry up and then they "took it over" until they spent themselves to death. Along comes Gorby and he puts on the facade of freedom and abracadabra....foreign money flows in by the billions and mega corporations take hold....only to be retaken over by Putin & Co who are bring back the glory days of the Communist Party. So, who are their friends now:

    Iran, China, North Korea, (Iraq before the war), and other dictators and communist despots of the world.

    Now, imagine if all these countries decided to put a nail in our coffin. We went into Iraq without French, German, Chinese, Russian, approval on the UN. What would happen if they decided to let us continue to spread ourselves too thin, over spend, and then......attack militarily or economically via a full scale assault on the US dollar.

    That won't happen until their countries become less reliant on US for their economy. But it can happen.
     
  13. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Right on target, Clyde. I have been closely monitoring these foreign relations for years now, and I do believe that I have linked it all somewhere around these forums...

    Oh, and btw, here is the latest from Putin&Co.: http://ago.mobile.globeandmail.com/generated/archive/RTGAM/html/20070927/weurmiss0927.html
    I can't really do much typing from my cell phone. ;) Anyway. Enough doom and gloom for me. I believe that if nothing can be done within the next 4 years, we will pass beyond questioning what's happening and move toward digging in, so we just have to try and make the best of the warnings we have right now.

    I wonder if Wyoming would be a nice place to settle? Any suggestions? I will be free to move back to the states some time late in 2009.
     
  14. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder


    Wyoming is very dry. If you don't have water you don't have nothing. South central Missouri is full of springs and rivers. Not many people and land is cheap compared to the rest of the country. [winkthumb]

    OGM
     
  15. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder

    I think that China won't make any major moves untill after the Olympics. After that all bets are off in my book. Taiwan better dig in between now and then.

    OGM
     
  16. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    "let us" spread our selves thin,?I don't put it past'em to stir up the dog dooky with that as the sole intention...
     
  17. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Ya know, all those others that might like to put a nail in our coffin would find it difficult. Maybe not so hard overseas, we could be driven out with enough cooperation among the lesser military lights with some heavy duty backup by the majors. However, I'd bet heavily that the borders would not be breached. Even if they were, the guerrilla war that followed would bleed them all dry. Thus spake me, and maybe me only.

    Given that most of our agricultural output is exported, we would not starve. We may be short of a couple things (like oil and coffee beans) but the rest is amply covered, up to and including toys without lead paint. All we need to do is concentrate on the basics instead of the waste materials that seem to be our biggest consumer demands.
     
  18. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    COFFEE!!??[hissyfit][whiteflag]
     
  19. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Thats Ok, we have plenty of chickory and dandilion roots to substitute in for it along with IIRC some coffee production in Bears neck of the woods. As far as our boarders not being breached though...given the present state of affairs I almost find that part lauphable. The fate awaitig military forces once they got here might keep them from comeing in but our boarders wouldnt keep out a stray cow, they sure the hell dont keep out imigrants that know how much easier it is just to walk i than fill out some paperwork. So I dont think our boarders would keep ANYONE out but so long as we the people are still armed then the fate awaiting attackers will prevent overt boots on the ground from any outside force IMHO.
     
  20. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Oh, to go along with the above post, if the controle goes a bit further and people are 'aclomated' to it so that they dont see it as confinement (look up the 'parable' about the pigs in the reading room) then the people will be more ready to accept being disarmed. Once the people are disarmed then TPTB will no longer need to be incrimental in their movements and can remove the velvet gloves from the iron hand and controle the people and move them as heir slaves into whatever position they want when and where they want on a whim. Basicly they move themselves into position where they (the servents) become the masters and no longer have to even pretend to be the servents.
     
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