Fraud and Manipulation + a Phony Crisis to Lower Our Standard of Living to Equal the Third World

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  1. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare

    The climate alarmists want the public to think they are trying to avoid a burnt world, but what they really want is something altogether different. (AP)

    • 2:59 PM EST

    Fraud: While the global warming alarmists have done a good job of spreading fright, they haven’t been so good at hiding their real motivation. Yet another one has slipped up and revealed the catalyst driving the climate scare.

    We have been told now for almost three decades that man has to change his ways or his fossil-fuel emissions will scorch Earth with catastrophic warming. Scientists, politicians and activists have maintained the narrative that their concern is only about caring for our planet and its inhabitants. But this is simply not true. The narrative is a ruse. They are after something entirely different.

    If they were honest, the climate alarmists would admit that they are not working feverishly to hold down global temperatures — they would acknowledge that they are instead consumed with the goal of holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state.

    Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

    “One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

    So what is the goal of environmental policy?

    “We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,” said Edenhofer.

    For those who want to believe that maybe Edenhofer just misspoke and doesn’t really mean that, consider that a little more than five years ago he also said that “the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.”

    Mad as they are, Edenhofer’s comments are nevertheless consistent with other alarmists who have spilled the movement’s dirty secret. Last year, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, made a similar statement.

    “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said in anticipation of last year’s Paris climate summit.

    “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

    The plan is to allow Third World countries to emit as much carbon dioxide as they wish — because, as Edenhofer said, “in order to get rich one has to burn coal, oil or gas” — while at the same time restricting emissions in advanced nations. This will, of course, choke economic growth in developed nations, but they deserve that fate as they “have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community,” he said. The fanaticism runs so deep that one professor has even suggested that we need to plunge ourselves into a depression to fight global warming.

    Perhaps Naomi Klein summed up best what the warming the fuss is all about in her book “This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. the Climate.”

    “What if global warming isn’t only a crisis?” Klein asks in a preview of a documentary inspired by her book. “What if it’s the best chance we’re ever going to get to build a better world?”

    In her mind, the world has to “change, or be changed” because an “economic system” — meaning free-market capitalism — has caused environmental “wreckage.”

    This is how the global warming alarmist community thinks. It wants to frighten, intimidate and then assume command. It needs a “crisis” to take advantage of, a hobgoblin to menace the people, so that they will beg for protection from the imaginary threat. The alarmists’ “better world” is one in which they rule a global welfare state. They’ve admitted this themselves.
  2. Altoidfishfins

    Altoidfishfins Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    When it comes to the fraud of climate change, I've always referenced these three words -

    'Follow the money'

    It's just that simple. Someone's going to get rich from this, and it isn't the American public.
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  3. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    I have often talked about the redistribution of U.S. Industry through the free trade deals (new world economic order) as the largest redistribution of wealth in world history. Global communism at its best.
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  4. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Big Oil? Big Coal? Big Natural Gas?
  5. Altoidfishfins

    Altoidfishfins Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    How about big government? And Al Gore, along with his Cap and Trade exchange junkies stand to make a fortune off the backs of the American working public.

    As intelligent and well versed as you are in politics, Chell, I'm a little surprised that you haven't figured that one out for yourself.
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  6. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    It doesn't really matter which side of the debate has the ascendency.....those with money and influence will game the likely outcomes to their advantage, regardless of the evidence....that has always been the way with vested interests....There is not necessarily a conflict of interests between Big Oil, Big Coal, and Big Natural Gas on the one hand....and Big Government on the other. They have gone hand in glove together for a very long time.

    One thing for sure....whatever scheme is in won't be for the benefit of be working towards energy self reliance.
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2016
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  7. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Self reasoning humans see what is behind the smoke and mirrors.

    Now understand that I could not find a quick and easy definition of the phrase of "Self Reasoning Human".

    So in short it is the more commonly used and over worked "Critical Thinking" phrase, a stupid phase at best, because all thinking about cause and effect/affect of one's survival should always be of a deep investigation of the their world and all that it encompasses, no kardashians need apply.

    But, guess what, I did find this phrase, all BS and just what the PTB want to use to influence your kids and grand kids.
    Public Reason
    First published Mon May 20, 2013 Public Reason (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
    Public reason requires that the moral or political rules that regulate our common life be, in some sense, justifiable or acceptable to all those persons over whom the rules purport to have authority. It is an idea with roots in the work of Hobbes, Kant, and Rousseau, and has become increasingly influential in contemporary moral and political philosophy as a result of its development in the work of John Rawls, Jürgen Habermas, and Gerald Gaus, among others. Proponents of public reason often present the idea as an implication of a particular conception of persons as free and equal.

    Basic survival instinct in my world and the protection of Family says the world around us is attempting to change a SELF REASONING HUMAN into a useless piece of trash.

    Of course this is just so much more of what the Flock Masters want to use as a way to control the sheeple.

    FWIW, a warrior nation cannot survive in a Public Reasoning world.

    We are all in a Warrior World so we either give away the farm or we Belly up to the Bar of Survival and Reason and make the changes needed to protect our prodigy's future.

    Remember, the NAZIs convinced the Jews at the Gates of the Crematorium that WORK WILL SET YOU FREE. Public Reasoning started way back then in the 1930s.

    So it has been at work brainwashing all those who will not accept the US Constitution as a final say on what a government should do and be.
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2016
  8. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    Personally, I believe climate change is a rather bizarre hoax but that doesn't mean we shouldn't ensure we have clean water and air but the EPA has gone way too far and needs to be reined in - a lot. Also, we should look to self energy reliance which just is pure logic, makes sense. Exxon hold the record for profits to the tune of $40B in one quarter if I remember correctly...and that there is true power, much too much power, game changing power, government controlling power...
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  9. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    For once I agree with Chellovec. But its not big anything that prospers. It is the investors who fund it all. Al Gore spouts rubbish about climate change and at the same time is invested in some form of green energy. That is how they roll. The Clintons were invested deep in Walmart Stocks prior to Bill signing the G.A.T.T. which filled Walmart stores with Chinese products. Investment practice called insider trading and worse manipulating markets to get rich at the expense of others. The Clintons got rich off China trade but at the expense of 20 million American Jobs.
  10. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Awright, chu guys, make no mistake, climate change is real. Mother Nature sees to that. What is phony is the size of the effect that man has on what Momma does. No matter how hard mankind tries, reducing the already immeasurably small effects will not affect climatological cycles. Ever.
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  11. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    Ghrit, that is how I see it as well. The fact that one volcano wiped out all the emmission controls that we enacted . Everything from catalytic convertors to less emissions on wood stoves. If Man were to have any effect AT ALL ON CLIMATE CHANGE WE WOULD HAVE TO STOP BURNING EVERYTHING , WOOD, OIL, GAS ETC. That is not going to happen. We dont cause climate change and our effect on it is very small.
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  12. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Solar flares have more to do with our climate change than EVERYTHING we do.
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