Freedom ? Rights ? Really ?

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by IrishMonk, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. IrishMonk

    IrishMonk Monkey+

    Unfortunately the reality is that we are neither free, nor have the rights we think we have. Sure, we can talk about freedom and have constitutionalist views and speak of such views... but doing so, will get you put on Big Brothers watch list and have you labled as a terrorist. Hell, just openly supporting Ron Paul will get you red listed.
    2nd Amendment rights? LMAO! No, my friend all such rights have been stripped from us with the signatures of elected officials who don't even bother to read the bills that they blindly pass daily...the bills that are eroding our liberties at an alarming rate. I have 3 words for anyone who thinks otherwise... THE EXECUTIVE ORDER

    Believe me, I was one of the first ppl allowed into New Orleans after Katrina. I had a pass signed by the brass of the Army that got me passed check points into the city. The President declared a national disaster and POOF! martial law and the suspension of all rights of those citizens that lived there ensued. The military and police, as well as hired guns, ie Blackwater, methodically went from house to house and confiscated all the guns! (This is well documented... just go under google videos and type in 'New Orleans gun grab' and you'll see what I mean.)
    Now, tell me... what the hell does the 2nd Amendment do for you when that right, and all others can be taken from you when you need them the most? The fact is you and I only have the right to bear arms when our tyrannical government is in the mood for it... but when the **** goes down and you need those guns guess what... you'll no longer have that right.

    WAKE UP AMERICA !... no, they are def sheep blindly following. They can't see the problem, after all, the Mcdonalds drive thru is still open isn't it? Their government still "takes care of them"... their welfare checks come in on time and all is well. They have no idea that they are SUCKING THE HIND TIT OF A DEAD COW!

    Okay, I'm done ranting. But let us who can still see not be decieved... our rights are a mere mirage. One day our Katrina will come, and on that day we will either join the heard of sheep or join the ranks of our forefathers who demanded Liberty Or Death!
  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Live free or die, brother.

    I have spent nearly twenty years researching the legalities of the fascist empire we now have, and there is no doubt whatsoever that we are in fact in deep trouble. The almost funny thing is, is that all it takes for the whole house of cards to crumble is for the people to stand together, unite in common cause, and re-establish the republic.

    Naturally, these days -with the internet enabling instant communication and data sharing like never before, there are many views to be shared. From communism to socialism, anarchism and even defeatism, the list seems endless. There is no greater certainty we will fail than for us to continue to be divided. With so many of our various generations ending up with a government supplied education, I am not the least surprised they do not know what the republic of America really is or what it stood for. A people ignorant of their sovereignty cannot possibly defend liberty; and in this we also see yet another reason for large amounts of immigration and the breakdown of traditional authority.

    I know exactly how we got to this point...
  3. franks71vw

    franks71vw Monkey+++

    Keep them divided is the key here... Even though my family originates outside the U.S. I am an American and until people don't stop using prefixes and all that comes along with this we will still be divided like cows to a slaughter house. One thing about those hurricanes and true the GUBment took law-biding citzens firearms etc glad that people stood up and took the Gubment to court and won.... I have thought of this and what would I do since I live in a disaster prone area and face that reality every year. Question is where to draw the line as the sand keeps erasing it...
  4. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    My rights belong to me and no-one can take them away unless I allow them too. So far, this has not happened. I speak what crosses my mind, I go where I want , when I want, I own what I want. Some of the things I do may have laws against them or not, I don't really care, If they violate my rights, they are null and void and will only be enforced by a superior force and if that ever happens, so be it; I will not submit without a fight.
    I do not seek confrontation and nothing I do is likely to damage anyone, therefore, I exist in a free world fraught with peril.
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  5. franks71vw

    franks71vw Monkey+++

    Well its kinda hard when you have a group raiding your place to decide to take a stance and all out shoot out.. or decide to fight the fight another day..​
  6. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    That's the peril I'm talking about. If it happens, it happens. Sucker punches work both ways.
  7. Firestorm

    Firestorm Monkey+

    IF YOU HAVE TO GET PERMISSION TO DO OR HAVE SOMETHING you are not FREE you are a serf aka SLAAAAVE! Think about it. We lost any Rights we still had back in 1933 year of our lord FDR. This country and all the states, counties and cites are nothing more then one big company - LLC end of story. If you think you own your car or truck check the title and see who really owns it - the STATE not U. The same is true about your land, boat, MC, ATV, oh and by the way U don't even own yourself the DEPT. OF HUMAN RESOURCES does by way of your BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
    So guess what, if you don't own yourself you are a servant - serf - SLAVVVE.
    have a nice day one and all.
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  8. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    This thread reminded me of an earlier article I posted. This is a couple of excerpts.

    Freedom and Liberty. What does that mean?

    Most people think that the two are the same, however there are subtle differences. Liberty is the right that we have by the fact of having life and being born. As Jefferson said, "Life and Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is what our "Creator" endowed us with. "Natural liberty consists in the power of acting as one thinks fit, without any restraint or control except from the laws of nature. It is a state of exemption from the control of others and from positive laws and the institutions of social life. This liberty is abridged by the establishment of government." (Noah Webster 1828)

    Freedom on the other hand, is what we are allowed to have by an authority. "Freedom is the state of exemption from the power or control of another." (Noah Webster 1828) Simply put, Liberty is the right; Freedom is the exercise of that right. Both of these items come from, as Jefferson wrote in the first paragraph of the Unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, the "Laws of Nature and Nature's God." Both of these rights are absolutely essential for there to be any real meaning to "the pursuit of Happiness." (Some have argued that Jefferson's use of "pursuit of Happiness" should have been, as John Locke wrote, "Property." However, I believe that Jefferson's expansion of mere property ownership to the "pursuit of Happiness" was genius. "pursuit of Happiness" is self-determination, including the ownership of property.)

    Read more:

    Carpe Libertas! (Seize Liberty)

    "So you want to be free? Then become free. All the freedom you want is yours, which you are able to seize. How does one seize freedom? By avoiding, evading, escaping, discouraging, overpowering, destroying, or otherwise frustrating anyone who initiates force or threatened force against you. (Freedom as used here is defined as: the absence OR EFFECTIVE NEUTRALIZATION of initiated force or threat of force.)
    "But the oppressors ignore my pleas for freedom," you complain. Do you expect THEM to SET you free? As you yourself point out, your oppressors have morals which would shame a beast of the forests. So long as you obey all their rules, no matter how onerous, and pay all their taxes, no matter how burdensome -- why SHOULD they?" And the oppressors dupe my neighbors, who are confused, unaware, and apathetic," you protest.Do you expect THEM not to deceive? The herdsman can milk only tame cows; the tyrant can drive only submissive slaves. "We must overturn the oppressors," some of you proclaim, "and rule wisely and justly in their place."

    Then go do it --if you can! But don't be surprised when the oppressors stampede their bewildered subjects against you." We must educate -- teach increasing numbers our values and ideas," others of you shout. "And SOME day evil will be banished from the earth."But as even YOU admit in your more reflective moments, this will take time -- MUCH time. So how shall you live the only life YOU will ever have? And how many followers can you attract AND HOLD if you offer only visions of a paradise for their great grandchildren? "I DO want freedom," you cry. "But there is NO way to get it now -- no chance to elect, no means to revolt, and no place to go. "I reply: If you want freedom SEIZE IT.

    "But my oppressors are organized into a powerful state," you object. "They have thousands of agents and millions of police." However, each of the state's minions has only the same two eyes, the same two hands, and usually not so much brains as you or I. They cannot be everywhere; they cannot see everything. "But they will collect a tax on my earnings," you protest. Only if you are so craven as to hand it over. Discover ways to avoid their extortion's: Trade with those who practice freedom. Or be as a gypsy who sells -- and flees.

    "But they will confiscate my property," you quaver. Only if you are so foolish as to lead them to it. Convert your wealth to forms you can conceal. And rent your shops and homes -- or mortgage them to the hilt." But they will throw me in jail," you whimper. Only if you are so careless as to stumble over them -- they who have trouble apprehending morons and psychopaths. Make yourself hard to find. "But that is too much trouble," you wail. "I would rather follow their rules and pay their taxes, lick their boots and hone their axes, do everything they demand, and maybe, oh maybe, they will leave me alone just a little. "Then tag along with the sheep to slaughter; you who expect freedom on a silver platter. For how long can you appease the tyrant who will demand more and more, until he has YOU? And what do we know of this utopia that some of you dream of? In every land, of which we hear, there are some who covet the lives and creations of others -- predators who rob and enslave the weak, the foolish and the cowardly.

    Sometimes the predators are lone -- and slink about as criminals. So the free men go like tigers -- armed and ready for self defense. Sometimes the predators join together -- and stalk about as rulers. So the free men go like foxes -- inconspicuous and ready to hide. Occasionally the free men ally to put down the predators. But somehow their forces tend to become slavers and looters in turn.

    However, in almost any land, those with the courage to assert their freedom seldom need to fight OR hide, for the predators live off the easy prey. "But this will pass," you say to me" for now, at last, I have the key -- the elixir for liberty--for the first time in history. And once sufficient numbers see..."Well maybe... but in the meantime...All of the freedom is yours which you are able to SEIZE!"

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  9. Firestorm

    Firestorm Monkey+


    YOU have hit it right on the head. The people of the U.S. don't know the meanings of words. Thay think Freedom and Liberty are one and the same.

    Great post MM. Thanks
  10. Disciple

    Disciple Monkey+

    Broker is correct, We have the right to reorganize our government if we the people wish, it was written by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independance. All we need to do is decide we have had enough. When enough people stand up and say enough is enough, only then we can start taking our country back. The question remains though; When is enough, truly enough? The time do do something about it is now, Just put yourself in the founding fathers shoes.
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  11. STANGF150

    STANGF150 Knowledge Seeker

    They come for my guns, they better bring their own bodybags. They'll get me for sure, but I won't be lonely on the road to hell! [gun]
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