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  1. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    [SIZE=+1] Presidential Election 2008
    Pro-gunners -- Keep Your Powder Dry[/SIZE]
    by Tim Macy
    Vice-Chairman and Political Director

    The national media tends to "anoint" presidential contenders based on who has the most money in the bank, not on who is most "beloved" (read that as the least obnoxious) by the voters of America.

    But history has proven the highest pile of money theory as a bad barometer of who will ultimately win.

    Ronald Reagan did not have the most money when he first ran for Governor of California or President of the United States, yet he became Governor and President and a major figure in American history for his efforts.

    Today, Hillary has the most money in the bank and is considered the front-runner on the Democrat ticket. John McCain, Rudy Guilianni and Mitt Romney all have money in the bank and they are the "big three" on the Republican side.

    The problem for pro-gun voters is that every one of these candidates has proven to be anything but pro-gun in their voting habits and speech.

    So... where do we go from here?

    Simply put, we need to keep our powder dry, because this race is not over. There are a few announced candidates who are pro-gun. California Congressman Duncan Hunter is a strong supporter of the goals of Gun Owners of America.

    Texas Congressman Ron Paul's pro-gun credentials are impeccable and he has been a leading proponent of rolling back the past 40 years of gun control.

    Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado, and Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas are also strong Second Amendment candidates.

    These are good men, but have not built much momentum at this point. If any one of these does, we will have a presidential candidate to help with all our combined muscle from the pro-gun community.

    There may be a solid pro-gunner to step up if none of the current pro-gunners gain momentum in the near future. Time will tell, and we will be there to help if a true pro-gun candidate shows he or she can and is building a solid campaign.

    This Presidential contender information center on the GOA website will continue to give information on the pro-gun and anti-gun positions of all the candidates. We will even promote some pro-gunners who are not running who we think would make great Presidents.
    Please keep checking on this site as we "fill in the blanks" on all candidates and potential candidates over the weeks and months ahead.
  2. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member


    here are a lot of things I like about Rudy Giuliani. I would come close to voting for him for president if it weren’t for his stance on gun control.

    A while back I wrote about Kennesaw Georgia, a town that passed a mandatory gun ownership law back in the 1980s. The murder rate there plummeted to 0.19 per year. On the other hand we can look at cities that do have gun control laws and see that they have the shameful honor of sitting at the top of the murder rates. Look at Boston, Chicago, Washington D.C. or Detroit. Nuff said.

    Rudy was the right leader at the right time during and after the September 11th attacks. My admiration for him went through the roof when I saw him refuse to take $10 million from a Saudi Prince right after 9/11. It wasn’t about being bought off. Good for you, Rudy!

    I like the fact that he cleaned up New York City. Big time. I know he’s taken some heat for allegedly targeting ethnic groups. I think he targeted criminals and didn’t play politically correct games. He just cleaned up the city regardless of who was doing the crime. I like that.

    I think our enemies are shaking in their boots at the very thought of Rudy Giuliani being president. And THAT will be one of my main criteria when I go to the voting booth in 2008.

    But, Rudy, you are wrong about gun control. You are just slap wrong.
    He tried backtracking a little recently.
    When pressed recently about his views on the 2nd Amendment by Sean Hannity of Fox News, Giuliani attempted to tap dance around his gun-control record without alienating the 290 million Americans who don’t live in New York City. The former mayor told Hannity that gun control was appropriate for the city, but that states and cities should be allowed to make those decisions locally.

    So Hannity continued, you would support a state’s rights to choose on specific gun laws?

    Yes, I mean, a place like New York that is densely populated or maybe a place that is experiencing a serious crime problem … maybe you have one solution there and in another place, more rural, more suburban, other issues, you have a different set of rules, answered Giuliani.
    [​IMG]Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is not the answer, Rudy. Nothing scares a criminal more than a citizen who is armed. But it’s a whole lot more than that.
    It’s more than just the right to defend ourselves against criminals.

    No government can impose it’s will on an armed population. As long as we are a government of the people, by the people and for the people, we will remained a well armed people.

    It’s really too bad you don’t understand this basic concept. There’s a reason our founders made the right to bare arms the Second Amendment. They understood it very well. It’s a large part of the reason a bunch of farmers were able to gain independence from the mighty British Army.

    Your stance on the Second Amendment will keep you out of the White House, Rudy. That’s a deal breaker as far as most of middle America is concerned.

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  3. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member


    Former governor Mitt Romney, who once described himself as a supporter of strong gun laws, is distancing himself from that rhetoric now as he attempts to court the gun owners who make up a significant force in Republican primary politics.
    In his 1994 US Senate run, Romney backed two gun-control measures strongly opposed by the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights groups: the Brady Bill, which imposed a five-day waiting period on gun sales, and a ban on certain assault weapons.
    “That’s not going to make me the hero of the NRA,” Romney told the Boston Herald in 1994.
    At another campaign stop that year, he told reporters: “I don’t line up with the NRA.”
    And as the GOP gubernatorial candidate in 2002, Romney lauded the state’s strong laws during a debate against Democrat Shannon O’Brien. “We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them,” he said. “I won’t chip away at them; I believe they protect us and provide for our safety.”
    Today, as he explores a presidential bid, Romney is sending a very different message on gun issues, which are far more prominent in Republican national politics than in Massachusetts.
    He now touts his work as governor to ease restrictions on gun owners. He proudly describes himself as a member of the NRA — though his campaign won’t say when he joined. And Friday, at his campaign’s request, top officials of the NRA and the National Shooting Sports Foundation led him around one of the country’s biggest gun shows.
    Romney says he still backs the ban on assault weapons, but he won’t say whether he stands by the Brady Bill. And after the gun show tour, his campaign declined to say whether he would still describe himself as a supporter of tough gun laws.
    “He believes Americans have the right to own and possess firearms as guaranteed under the US Constitution,” spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom wrote in an e-mail. “He’s proud to be among the many decent, law-abiding men and women who safely use firearms. Like President Bush, he supports restrictions on assault weapons, but Mitt Romney has also worked with gun owners and sportsmen to ease the gun-licensing laws in Massachusetts.” Source
    I’m hearing strains of “Any way the wind blows doesn’t really matter to me…”
    In January of 2007, he said,

    … that he hopes states would continue to ease regulations on gun owners, and he expressed enthusiasm for guns and hunting. “I have a gun of my own. I go hunting myself. I’m a member of the NRA and believe firmly in the right to bear arms…”
    Then at the S.H.O.T. Show,

    Asked by reporters at the gun show Friday whether he personally owned the gun, Romney said he did not. He said one of his sons, Josh, keeps two guns at the family vacation home in Utah, and he uses them “from time to time.” The guns are a Winchester hunting rifle and a Glock 9mm handgun, which Romney uses for target shooting . Romney also described himself as a sportsman who learned to shoot as a boy rabbit hunting in Idaho with a .22 rifle. He fondly recalled shooting quail last year at a Republican Governors Association event in Georgia.
    Dude, it’s not about hunting…

    ….in 2005, Romney designated May 7 as “The Right to Bear Arms Day” in Massachusetts to honor “the right of decent, law-abiding citizens to own and use firearms in defense of their families, persons, and property and for all lawful purposes, including the common defense.”
    But perhaps the most significant gun legislation Romney signed as governor was a 2004 measure instituting a permanent ban on assault weapons. The Legislature mirrored the law after the federal assault weapons ban, which was set to expire. According to activists at the time, the bill made Massachusetts the first state to enact its own such ban, and Romney hailed the move.
    “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense,” he was quoted as saying. “They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”
    So which way is it going to be, Mitt?
    You know, I’m an optimist at heart. I still hold out the hope that people can grow, change and learn. SouthofBoston.com says:

    Romney’s explanation is that his positions have evolved. That is fair enough if it involves one or two significant issues — or if a person undergoes a life-changing epiphany. But Romney is still the same old Mormon moderate he always was. The only difference is that he is running for president in a relatively conservative country instead of running for senator or governor in a very liberal state.
    That means he has shifted his positions on everything from gay rights to gun control, abortion to taxes. Just last week, he toured a gun show in Florida with the president of the National Rifle Association and reminisced about how as a boy, “I worked on a ranch in Idaho and shot rabbits with a single-shot .22 rifle.” (There goes the PETA vote).
    Yet, as governor, he signed some of the toughest gun control laws in the country — and promised “I won’t chip away at them” — and was certainly no friend to the NRA back then. In his run for U.S. Senate in 1994, Romney said he supported a ban on assault rifles and the Brady gun control law. But now he has put Massachusetts in his rear-view mirror and it’s guns a-blazin’ — or .22 pop guns, at least. Source
    In an interview with Phil Klein of the American Spectator during CPAC 2007, the following exchange took place:
    PK: On gun control, I know you signed an assault weapons ban in Massachusetts in 2004, now I know you joined the NRA within the last year. Can you tell me if an assault weapons ban came up at the federal level, would you sign or veto that?
    ROMNEY: Well, it depends on what it looked like, but…
    PK: If it was something like the ‘94 bill…
    ROMNEY: I have indicated that my position is the same as it has been which is I support the Second Amendment, but I also support (an) assault weapon ban, that’s why I signed a bill of that nature. That’s what I said back in ‘94. I’m in the same position that President Bush is. President Bush also says he supports the Second Amendment, but he would support an assault weapon ban. But the specifics of the particular ban are something that I’d have to look at, and it’s been a long time since we’ve looked at the particular types of weapons that might be involved. So my position is the same there as it has been before —
    PK: But if the ‘94 one came up for vote again…
    ROMNEY: Well obviously, we’ve learned some things since then. I haven’t seen the specific proposal at this stage and so I couldn’t comment on it until we had. We had an effort in Massachusetts on the part of some to ban 50 caliber rifles. I opposed that, indicated I would oppose that ban. You know, I think we have to be very careful in any way restricting Second Amendment rights. I support the Second Amendment. We’ve got a gun at our house, it’s owned by my son. I’ve hunted since I was a young man. I believe that people have the right to bear arms. But I also recognize that there’s some types of weapons that don’t need to be in the public’s hands, machine guns certainly, and I’d be open to consider appropriate kind of measures, but I’m not looking for blanket kind of prohibitions on people being able to have arms for their defense. Source
    Romney Shoots Self in Foot in “Pandering to Gun Crowd:”
    Officials in the four states where Mitt Romney has lived say the Republican presidential contender, who calls himself a lifelong hunter, never took out a license. Romney says that’s because he has seldom hunted where he needed one.
    Questions about his hunting activities trailed Romney this week after he remarked at a campaign stop that he has been a hunter nearly all his life. The next day, his campaign said Romney had been hunting only twice, once as a teenager in Idaho and again last year with GOP donors in Georgia.
    That was wrong, Romney said the day after that, adding that he had hunted rabbits and other small animals for many years, mainly in Utah. Hunting certain small game there doesn’t require a license…
    …His staff refused Friday to provide details about his hunting history, including whose gun he used, with whom he hunted and whether he hunted in Utah as a college student or as an adult. He does not own a firearm, despite claiming to earlier this year. Source
    So has Mitt had a “road to Damascus” experience and come over to the side of Truth, Gun Rights and The American Way, or is he just tuning his message to crowd he’s playing for? I don’t know. You’d have to be clairvoyant to know for sure. The flip-flops do raise questions, though. Is Romney a man who is guided by principles? Is he a thinker who has really changed his mind, or just a glib politician willing to say anything that gets him an advantage? To be honest, he could be either one. My positions on things have evolved over time, and I have to allow for the possibility of similar change in others. But, I must admit that the “I have a gun… I don’t have a gun…” thing reminds me of another politician from Massachusetts who is currently spending his spare time mixing ketchup.
  4. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Leading GOP candidates causing ‘angst’ among 2nd Amendment organizations <table class="contentpaneopen"><tbody><tr> <td colspan="2" align="left" valign="top" width="70%"> By Sam Youngman </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="createdate" valign="top"> April 16, 2007 </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" valign="top"> Anti-gun control groups, sure to be back on the defensive after yesterday’s massacre at Virginia Tech, say they are having a hard time solidly backing any of the top-tier Republican presidential candidates.

    The only 2008 presidential candidates who have earned solid backing from anti-gun control groups are a handful of Republicans struggling to get their campaigns off the ground — and one Democrat.

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    The first tier of Republican candidates, Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, all have been inconsistent on the issues near and dear to gun owners’ hearts, activists said.
    Only Republican Reps. Ron Paul (Texas), Duncan Hunter (Calif.) and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, as well as Democratic Gov. Bill Richardson (N.M.), have not been faulted by such groups.

    “I think there’s a lot of disappointment out there,” said Erich Pratt, an official with Gun Owners of America (GOA). “There’s a lot of angst.”

    Pratt said his group is stingy with its endorsements. The last presidential candidate they backed was Ronald Reagan, and given the current leaders of the field, they might not endorse this time, either.

    The group will be busy trying to educate its 300,000-plus members as to what it sees as the candidates’ shortcomings, Pratt said.

    National Rifle Association (NRA) officials declined to talk on the record about specific candidates, but one official said the group has been “courted” by candidates on both sides of the aisle.

    The official said the group’s more than 4 million members are a “much sought-after voting bloc.”

    “They’re loyal, they’re savvy and they vote,” the official said.

    That bloc is particularly important to Republicans in the early-voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. But activists with those groups say each leading candidate has his flaws.

    Romney’s missteps on the issue have been well documented of late.

    After claiming to be a lifelong NRA member, he admitted to having joined only last summer.

    The former governor had a similar gaffe recently when he told a voter in New Hampshire he had been hunting his whole life — before campaign aides conceded he had actually only been twice.

    The campaign did say, however, the governor had been hunting rabbits and squirrels for years.

    These and other “oops” moments, combined with Romney’s support of the Brady Bill and an assault-weapons ban during his 1994 Senate campaign, have led Pratt and others to question Romney’s sincerity on the issue.

    “He’s a big question mark,” Pratt said. “He [has] been acting and speaking like someone from New England, and now all of a sudden he’s singing a different tune.”

    For his part, Romney has told audiences he intends to seek the NRA’s endorsement. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) was quick to seize on Romney’s missteps.

    “While Romney has told audiences that he is ‘after the NRA’s endorsement,’ he dodged the NRA convention in St. Louis [last week] despite being in town at the same time for a fundraiser,” a DNC release said.

    In response, Romney spokesman Kevin Madden said in an e-mail that Romney is a strong backer of the Second Amendment.

    “Gov. Romney strongly believes in the constitutional freedoms and protections that are enshrined in the Second Amendment,” Madden said. “Groups that are dedicated to protecting Second Amendment rights understand Gov. Romney’s commitment to preserving them and recognize his outreach on these issues.”

    When asked whether the campaign had suffered missteps in trying to promote its Second Amendment support, Madden said, “The important principles involved in any discussion of the Second Amendment can sometimes be cast aside in the coverage of it.”

    Madden added: “Gov. Romney’s commitment to good policy on these issues is readily apparent to those who are about the issue. That’s what is most important to remember and take notice of.”

    Giuliani faces similar scrutiny and mistrust from Second Amendment groups.

    While in office, the former mayor supported a number of gun-control plans, officially aimed at reducing New York’s high crime rate.

    “Rudy Giuliani is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment,” his campaign website says. “When he was Mayor of a city suffering an average of almost 2,000 murders a year, he protected people by getting illegal handguns out of the hands of criminals. As a result, shootings fell by 72 percent, and the murder rate was cut by two-thirds.”

    But the website also states, “Rudy understands that what works in New York doesn’t necessarily work in Mississippi or Montana.”

    The Giuliani campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

    Meanwhile, McCain’s troubles with Second Amendment groups stem from his authorship of the Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act of 2002, also known as McCain-Feingold.

    A wide range of conservative national lobbying groups, among them the NRA, were infuriated by what they said was a restriction on free speech.

    That fury has endured, and McCain still has enemies in the NRA and other gun-rights groups despite his consistently conservative voting record on gun owners’ issues.

    Former Rep. Chuck Douglas (R-N.H.), an NRA member and vice chairman of McCain’s steering committee, said that while national lobbying groups like the NRA are still angry about McCain-Feingold, individual gun owners will recognize an ally in McCain because of his record.

    “That’s the one issue where the NRA as an institution has a beef with him,” Douglas said.

    Douglas said McCain was the first candidate to campaign in a New Hampshire gun store. Last weekend, the campaign had workers present at a gun show in Concord.

    “When it comes down to it, voters across the country realize that John McCain has worked to protect their right to bear arms,” McCain spokesman Danny Diaz said.

    He added: “Sen. McCain has a lifetime record of standing up for gun rights and gun owners, and they know that he is an advocate on their behalf.”

    When asked about any lingering resentment groups like the NRA might harbor over McCain-Feingold, Diaz said, “Today, as a result of the most recent election, more people recognize the negative impact special interest money has in politics and Sen. McCain’s efforts to fight it. Sen. McCain is taking his message directly to the people.”

    The campaign, in a not-so-thinly veiled shot at Team Romney, last week introduced their coalition of New Hampshire sportsmen supporting McCain.

    There is also the case of Richardson. As the only Democratic candidate to win an A grade from the NRA during his last gubernatorial race, his candidacy might force the group to reexamine its endorsement habits should he win the nomination and face off against one of the less popular Republicans.

    “If Bill Richardson ran against Giuliani, that would be something people would have to look at,” Douglas said.
  5. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Run Fred Run

    I like all of you Fred supporters personally. Really I do as I know many of you and have you in my speed dial list. But. In politics... WTF are you thinking backing this guy?

    He is just 'generally' for the second amendment. Haven't we had enough of those fricking compromises on our favorite hobby? Wake up guys.

    Here is the GOA on Fred. Take a careful look t all of the anti-gun (GOA label) votes he cast in his 2 terms as Sen.
    [SIZE=+2]Fred Thompson


    Fred Thompson: "Generally" Consistent [/SIZE]
    by Craig Fields
    Director of Internet Operations

    When a person simply musing about the possibility of running for the GOP presidential nomination finds himself essentially tied with the Democratic frontrunner overnight,<sup>1</sup> something has happened.

    That something was a collective sigh of relief across America's conservative base. It continued when Thompson eventually anounced his candidacy on Jay Leno's late-night TV show. Finally (it was thought), a high-profile candidate… without the liberal baggage of a Giuliani, Romney or McCain.

    That's because Thompson is relatively conservative in his overall philosophy. He has no need to convince voters that he has changed his ways and now sees the light, because he has been fairly consistent throughout his career.
    He is in his own words "against gun control, generally."<sup>2</sup> And his voting record shows that to be true, generally. When he voted anti-gun, it was usually to expand federal authority. This is unfortunately consistent with his being a "law and order" conservative (pardon the pun). A complete report on each individual vote is appended below.

    Gun owners should also be aware that Thompson unabashedly favors the odious McCain-Feingold Incumbent Protection Act. This legislation, characterized by its proponents as campaign finance reform, severely limits the abilities of groups like GOA to inform the public about the gun rights voting records of politicians already in office. In many cases, it becomes illegal to even mention a politician's name in on-air advertising the month before an election. Thompson -- having voted in favor of the restrictions several times -- thinks doing so is "not a non-conservative position, although I agree that a lot of people have interpreted it that way."<sup>3</sup>
    Fred Thompson was elected to the Senate as a Republican in 1994 -- the 105th Congress -- to fill the remaining two years of then-Vice-President Al Gore's term. Thompson was reelected (handily) in 1996 to a full six-year term.

    The timing was such that many of his "gun votes" on Capitol Hill came during the hysteria following the Columbine tragedy in 1999. It seemed that everyone in the country (except GOA supporters) considered it a foregone conclusion that something regarding gun control had to pass Congress that summer.

    The Republican Leadership, especially in the Senate, adopted a "Gun Control Lite" strategy -- hoping to preclude major gun bans by passing specific and less onerous restrictions that were largely extensions of current law.
    Happily, GOA supporters rose up in truly Herculean fashion that summer, and when the smoke cleared no new gun control at all had made it to the President's desk. Thompson's actions at that time were somewhat haphazard (he voted both for and against the "Lite" strategy at different points, while voting against most, but not all, anti-gun amendments brought by other Senators).

    In total, GOA tracked 33 votes in the U.S. Senate while Thompson was there. He voted pro-gun 20 times. Those votes are detailed below.
    Note: this corrects an earlier version, which erroneously had Thompson voting pro-gun 19 times.

    <table border="2" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2"> <caption> [SIZE=+2] Fred Thompson's Gun-Related Votes[/SIZE]</caption><caption>

    </caption><tbody><tr> <td align="center">[SIZE=+2] The U.S. Senate Debated: [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Thompson
    </td> </tr><tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Government wiretapping of innocent citizens.<sup>4</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Anti-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Anti-gun terror bill (S. 735 ).<sup>5</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Anti-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="lef">[SIZE=+1] Taxpayer funding to anti-gun lobby groups.<sup>6</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Taxpayer funding to anti-gun groups -- 2nd vote.<sup>7</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Anti-gun terror bill -- final passage.<sup>8</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Anti-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Taggants in gunpowder.<sup>9</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation gun ban.<sup>10</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Anti-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Kohl "Gun Free Zones" ban.<sup>11</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Free Speech restrictions.<sup>12</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Anti-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Smith "Anti-Brady" Amendment.<sup>13</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Gutting of the Smith “Anti-Brady” Amendment.<sup>14</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Anti-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Banning the importation of magazines.<sup>15</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Mandatory unsafe gun storage requirements.<sup>16</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] "Lock Up Your Safety" mandatory trigger locks.<sup>17</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Anti-gun Clinton judge appointment.<sup>18</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Anti-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Anti-gun Surgeon General.<sup>19</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Anti-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Ending the filibuster of a major anti-gun crime bill.<sup>20</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Anti-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Background registration checks.<sup>21</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Banning private sales of firearms at gun shows.<sup>22</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Anti-gun juvenile crime bill (S. 254).<sup>23</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Mandatory trigger locks with new handgun sales.<sup>24</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Hatch-Craig Gun Control "Lite".<sup>25</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] More severe regulation of internet gun sales.<sup>26</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Young adult gun ban.<sup>27</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Anti-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Medium-capacity magazine ban.<sup>28</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Adopting the "Gun Control Lite" strategy.<sup>29</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Anti-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Gun show ban.<sup>30</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Praising the gun control mommies.<sup>31</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Senate instructions to pass gun control (Reed).<sup>32</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Senate instructions to pass gun control (Boxer).<sup>33</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Attacking gun makers in court.<sup>34</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Pro-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] McCain's Incumbent Protection (2000 version).<sup>35</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Anti-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left">[SIZE=+1] Incumbent Protection (2002 failed filibuster).<sup>36</sup> [/SIZE]</td><td align="center">
    [SIZE=+1] Anti-gun[/SIZE]​
    </td></tr> </tbody></table>
    <hr align="left" width="50%">
    [SIZE=-1] <sup>
  6. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    And. How the hell can't all of us Gun Nuts get behind this statement? NO other politician has the balls to say it this strongly... Did you even read this? Or did any thread I posted that had RP in the title get ignored? Sadly, I can see who reads each thread and A few of you anti-paul guys DO INDEED IGNORE any thread that has Paul in the title.

    "The gun control debate generally ignores the historical and philosophical underpinnings of the Second amendment. The Second amendment is not about hunting deer or keeping a pistol in your nightstand. It is not about protecting oneself against common criminals. It is about preventing tyranny. The Founders knew that unarmed citizens would never be able to overthrow a tyrannical government as they did. They envisioned government as a servant, not a master, of the American people. The muskets they used against the British Army were the assault rifles of that time. It is practical, rather than alarmist, to understand that unarmed citizens cannot be secure in their freedoms."

  7. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member


    Ron Paul: The Pro-Second Amendment Republican Candidate for President
    <table align="center" border="1" height="418" width="780"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="width: 50%; height: 75px;">
    As a United States Congressman,
    Dr. Paul has:
    </td> <td width="50%">
    If elected president,
    Dr. Paul will:
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2">
    Restore the Second Amendment
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td height="57" width="50%"> Led the fight to restore the Second Amendment Rights of all Americans, WITHOUT INFRINGEMENT
    </td> <td height="57" width="50%">Press Congress and the Supreme Court to preserve American citizen's Second Amendment rights</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="63" width="50%">
    "Gun Free Zones"
    Introduced legislation to REPEALthe so-called "Gun Free Zone" victim disarmament law of 1990
    </td> <td style="width: 50%; height: 63px;" valign="top">
    National Parks Gun Ban
    Overturn the unconstitutional ban on carrying guns for self-defense in our National Parks
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td height="56" width="50%">
    "Instant Check"
    Introduced legislation to REPEALthe 1993 National "Instant Background Check" Gun Owner Registration Bill
    </td> <td height="56" width="50%">
    Exercising Your Constitutional Rights
    Veto ANYpiece of legislation abridging our Constitutional Right to bear arms
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 50%; height: 62px;" valign="top">
    UN Gun Grab
    Authored legislation to stop taxpayer funds from going to the anti-gun United Nations
    </td> <td height="62" width="50%">
    Tax Dollars to UN
    Stop YOUR TAX DOLLARS from going to fund anti-gun United Nations activities
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width: 50%; height: 79px;" valign="top">
    Private Gun Sales
    Opposed ALLgun control schemes that would register private sales and mandate government "Lock-Up Your Safety Devices
    </td> <td style="width: 50%; height: 79px;" valign="top">
    Mandated Trigger Locks
    Veto ANYlegislation mandating trigger locks to prevent you from maintaining a firearm for home and self-defense

    </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="50%">
    Veterans Rights
    Opposed H.R. 2640 that would allow government-appointed psychiatrists to BAN U.S. veterans experiencing even mild forms of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome from EVER owning a gun
    </td> <td style="width: 50%;" valign="top">
    Assault Weapon Ban
    Veto ANY legislation banning semi-automatic firearms
    </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
    The choice is clear: Vote Ron Paul for President
    Ron Paul's Pro-Gun Legislation
    H.R. 1096 (Paul): This bill would (1) repeal the Brady law and Instantcheck Gun Owner registration system; (2) repeal federal provisions discriminating against firearms which the government determines to have no "sporting purpose," and (3) repeal the requirement that trigger locks be purchased by anyone purchasing a handgun from a dealer.
    H.R. 1897 (Paul): This bill would prohibit any federal regulation banning the possession or carrying of a firearm based in whole or in part on the fact that the possession or carrying occurs within a national park.
  8. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder

    This is why only Ron Paul will get my support. [winkthumb]

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