Government Trolls

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by OldDude49, Aug 25, 2016.

  1. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    Using 'Psychology-Based Influence Techniques' on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter

    Have you ever come across someone on the Internet that you suspected was a paid government troll? Well, there is a very good chance that you were not imagining things. Thanks to Edward Snowden, we now have solid proof that paid government trolls are using "psychology-based influence techniques" on social media websites such as YouTube, Facebook and Twitter.

    Documents leaked by Snowden also reveal that government agents have been conducting denial-of-service attacks, flooding social media websites with thinly veiled propaganda and have been purposely attempting to warp public discourse online. If we do not stand up and object to this kind of Orwellian behavior, it is only going to get worse and worse.

    In the U.K., the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group (JTRIG) is a specialized unit within the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ). If it wasn't for Edward Snowden, we probably still would never have heard of them. This particular specialized unit is engaged in some very questionable online activities. The following is an excerpt from a recent piece by Glenn Greenwald and Andrew Fishman:

    Though its existence was secret until last year, JTRIG quickly developed a distinctive profile in the public understanding, after documents from NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden revealed that the unit had engaged in "dirty tricks" like deploying sexual "honey traps" designed to discredit targets, launching denial-of-service attacks to shut down Internet chat rooms, pushing veiled propaganda onto social networks and generally warping discourse online.

    We are told that JTRIG only uses these techniques to go after the "bad guys."

    But precisely who are the "bad guys"?

    It turns out that their definition of who the "bad guys" are is quite broad. Here is more from Glenn Greenwald and Andrew Fishman:

    JTRIG's domestic and law enforcement operations are made clear. The report states that the controversial unit "currently collaborates with other agencies" including the Metropolitan police, Security Service (MI5), Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA), Border Agency, Revenue and Customs (HMRC), and National Public Order and Intelligence Unit (NPOIU). The document highlights that key JTRIG objectives include "providing intelligence for judicial outcomes"; monitoring "domestic extremist groups such as the English Defence League by conducting online HUMINT"; "denying, deterring or dissuading" criminals and "hacktivists"; and "deterring, disrupting or degrading online consumerism of stolen data or child porn."

    Particularly disturbing to me is the phrase "domestic extremist groups". What does someone have to say or do to be considered an "extremist"? For example, the English Defence League is a non-violent street protest movement in the UK that is strongly against the spread of radical Islam and sharia law in the UK. So if they are "extremists", how many millions upon millions of ordinary citizens in the United States would fit that definition?

    When conducting operations against "extremists", psychology-based influence techniques are among the tools that JTRIG uses to combat them online. The following comes from one of the documents that was posted by Greenwald and Fishman:


    Psychology-Based Influence Techniques

    In other words, these government trolls try to mess with people's minds.

    And here is another document that was posted by Greenwald and Fishman that talks about how JTRIG uses YouTube, Facebook and Twitter to accomplish their goals:


    Government Trolls

    It is very disturbing to think that some of the people that we may be interacting with on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter are actually paid government agents that are purposely trying to feed us propaganda and misinformation.

    And of course this kind of thing does not just happen in the United Kingdom. In Canada, it has been publicly admitted that the government uses paid trolls to warp Internet discourse. The following comes from Natural News:

    You've probably run into them before — those seemingly random antagonizers who always end up diverting the conversation in an online chat room or article comment section away from the issue at hand, and towards a much different agenda. Hot-button issues like illegal immigration, the two-party political system, the "war on terror" and even alternative medicine are among the most common targets of such attackers, known as internet "trolls" or "shills," who in many cases are nothing more than paid lackeys hired by the federal government and other international organizations to sway and ultimately control public opinion.

    Several years ago, Canada's CTV News aired a short segment about how its own government had been exposed for hiring secret agents to monitor social media and track online conversations, as well as the activities of certain dissenting individuals. This report, which in obvious whitewashing language referred to such activities as the government simply "weighing in and correcting" allegedly false information posted online, basically admitted that the Canadian government had assumed the role of secret online police.

    You can actually watch a video news report about what is happening up in Canada right here.

    Needless to say, the U.S. government is also engaged in this kind of activity. For instance, the U.S. government has actually been caught manipulating discourse on Reddit and editing Wikipedia. When it comes to spying, there is nobody that is off limits for our spooks. It just came out recently that we even spied on three French presidents, and they are supposed to be our "friends."

    And just like the U.K., the U.S. government has a very broad definition of "extremists." This has especially been true since Barack Obama has been in the White House. If you doubt this, please see my previous article entitled "72 Types of Americans That Are Considered 'Potential Terrorists' in Official Government Documents."

    All of this is very disturbing to me. Why can't they just leave us alone and let us talk to one another? Why do they have to spy on everything that we do and purposely try to manipulate public discourse? Why do they have to be such control freaks?

    Government Trolls Using 'Psychology-Based Influence Techniques' on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter
  2. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    Things never change. If there is a tool that the government can use to achieve it goals, what ever they may be, they will be used. The Bible is full of instances where religion was used to aid the state in reaching some goal and in many cases the goal was worth being implemented. The roman rulers and many of the medieval leaders either said they were gods or chosen by the gods. The American revolution was based on newspapers, pamphlets, and group meetings, the internet of the day. Hitler and the rest of the 1900's groups used radio and movies to influence and control the population and that worked out well didn't it. The new tech is being used to change us in so many ways that it is difficult to tell what is real. The present generation has been educated in a different school system than I attended, plays games with goals I don't understand and at a level of interaction that I can't even comprehend, communicates with each other at a level that mystifies me and about topics that have no value to me and uses the internet in ways I can not comprehend. I guess the real question isn't if the government is using the new tech to control and influence us, but how we as individuals can try to retain our old values and hopefully install them in our children without going to the extremes of the Amish or other old order religions. The new buzz words, white privilege, hidden racism, gender equality, multicultural, undocumented immigrants, the 1%, income inequality etc, are all created by someone with an agenda and are being crafted in the MSM, the internet, etc, to have meanings and influences that I do not wish to understand and are being presented as truths, rather than opinions or propaganda. For example it doesn't seem as if the whole black lives matter movement could exist if the people listening had not experienced the "rap" music with it culture of disdain for society and the police and the perception that such actions were ok and the ability to communicate and create a world wide "flash" mob. Of course my beliefs and values are those of an old order white man and have little meaning in our present ethical and social world.
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2016
  3. Oltymer

    Oltymer Monkey++

    Joseph Goebbels wet dream come true, and fully staffed by the Thought Police of Orwell's 1984. The government can afford all these shills and lackeys wages and benefits to mold and control popular opinion, yet will come out with a straight face and tell us how a contract with the people that we have all contributed to, like Social Security, is broke since they have mismanaged the funds and essentially robbed from it to build scatological mind control programs like this really chaps my cheeks.
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  4. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey Site Supporter++

    The thing about government trolls is that they are still government employees. That means they are either competent and corrupt or, as in the case of the vast majority, incompetent. Neither are dangerous as one can be bought and the other will eff it up. The dangerous ones are both incompetent and corrupt - then they get to be a New York Senator followed by a run for the White House....
  5. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    Ah, if only I were young and single and didn't have use of my legs, I could get me a job as one of them government trolls, meet a hawt troll princess and go native on them, ala Avatar
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  6. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    The problem with saying 'government trolls' is that it still looks like something you can't fix. The truth is people are running these (government sanctioned) programs. And on top of the people running them who are the people that run the government. ..hint's not the talking head who are currently running for office
  7. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    My question, who's more responsible, the 'trolls' or the citizens who let themselves be duped?
  8. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    My point was we aren't dealing with some government agency. ..these are people running these programs
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  9. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    We have a good many Gov. trolls right here in our tree and they are most welcome for the most part. I am quite confident that the average member of our tribe is level-headed and not too terribly influenced by opinions. Sure, some will be turned but for the most part, we are productive citizens trying to make head or tails of a bad situation that can only get worse.Total subjugation is not practical , even slaves are allowed to scratch their ass once in a while.There is still a long way to go before people will unite and stand up to the machine, fact is, I do not believe it will ever happen though some of us will figure a way to fly under the radar.
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  10. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I can verify this as fact, first hand.
    Senate Report 93-549 / Wikipedia / Data Source | Survival Monkey Forums

    There are hundreds (if not more) government workers who subvert the truth on Wikipedia. They are well established within the Wiki, and they know every trick in the book. What's more, they have multiple accounts and can essentially tie up and completely revert any changes to any article. I would need a team of 12 full time workers just to compete --on ONE article.
  11. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    That's why I don't bother with Wikipedia for anything but info on TV shows.
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