Greenspan: "Gold is money"

Discussion in 'Financial Cents' started by CATO, Nov 10, 2014.

  1. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    Greenspan's Stunning Admission: "Gold Is Currency; No Fiat Currency, Including the Dollar, Can Match It" | Zero Hedge

    For some reason, the Council of Foreign Relations, where ex-Fed-Chief Alan Greenspan spoke last week, decided the following discussion should be left out of the official transcript. We can perhaps understand why... as Gillian Tett concludes, "comments like that will be turning you into a rock star amongst the gold bug community."

    Greenspan (Uncut):

    TETT: Do you think that gold is currently a good investment?

    GREENSPAN: Yes... Remember what we're looking at. Gold is a currency. It is still, by all evidence, a premier currency. No fiat currency, including the dollar, can macth it.

    Which is missing from the official CFR transcript...

    GREENSPAN: ...remember, we had that first tapering discussion, we got a very strong market response. And then we reassured everybody to have no -- remember, tapering is still (audio gap) of an agreement that the central banks have made -- European central banks, I believe -- about allocating their gold sales which occurred when gold prices were falling down (audio gap) has been renewed this year with a statement that gold serves a very important place in monetary reserves.

    And the question is, why do central banks put money into an asset which has no rate of return, but cost of storage and insurance and everything else like that, why are they doing that? If you look at the data with a very few exceptions, all of the developed countries have gold reserves. Why?

    TETT: I imagine right now, it's because of a question mark hanging over the value of fiat currency, the credibility going forward.

    GREENSPAN: Well, that's what I'm getting at. Every time you get some really serious questions, the 50 percent of the gold price determination begins to move.

    TETT: Right.

    GREENSPAN: And I think it is fascinating and -- I don't know, is Benn Steil in the audience?

    TETT: Yes.

    GREENSPAN: There he is, OK. Before you read my book, go read Benn's book. The reason is, you'll find it fascinating on exactly this issue, because here you have the ultimate test at the Mount Washington Hotel in 1944 of the real intellectual debate between the -- those who wanted to an international fiat currency which was embodied in John Maynard Keynes' construct of a banker, and he was there in 1944, holding forth with all of his prestige, but couldn't counter the fact that the United States dollar was convertible into gold and that was the major draw. Everyone wanted America's gold. And I think that Benn really described that in extraordinarily useful terms, as far as I can see. Anyway, thank you.

    TETT: Right. Well, I'm sure with comments like that, that will be turning you into a rock star amongst the gold bug community.

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    As a reminder, here is Ben Bernanke putting people straight on Gold...

    As we noted at the time,

    Ron Paul asks the Bernanke if he thought gold was money. Bernanke almost swallows his tongue, stares blankly for a few seconds and then says, “no.”

    Paul then asks why banks hold gold on their balance sheet? Why not diamonds? Bernanke says, “tradition, I suppose.”

    So let me get this straight, banks hold billions of dollars of an asset that pays no interest or dividends on their balance sheet for reasons of "tradition". nothing to do with anything else, just tradition. uh, yea. That must be it.

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  2. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    Gold and Silver have always been, money. The value of such precious metals is generally set by the trading partners as with any bartered commodity. When compared to todays paper Federal Reserve Notes, gold and silver look pretty secure. Come a world wide monetary collapse, you can always use your currency to start a fire or wipe your backside, but for trade, it will be valueless.
  3. CATO

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  5. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    Authorized by China's central bank, the deal will allow direct business between the Canadian dollar and the Chinese yuan, cutting out the middle man — in most cases, the U.S. dollar.

    Indeed...the writing is on the wall.

    Obama leaves G-20 empty-handed on currency issue

    G-20 leaders refused Friday to back a U.S. push to make China boost its currency's value.

    The nations agreed at a summit in Seoul to set "indicative guidelines" for measuring imbalances between their economies but left the details to be discussed next year.

    In saying that countries should do more to end what he called unfair trade practices, Obama criticized China. He said the country "spends enormous amounts of money" to keep its currency low and called it an "irritant" to the global economy, the Oval reports.

    If China is an "irritant" to the global economy....the fiat USD and Federal Reserve is a gaping, bleeding, puss-filled wound.

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  6. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    MG: I have been to China on business. It is a country with amazing potential, but to say that it is not a giant problem from a currency standpoint like the dollar is a joke. I went to a outside of Shanghai. I saw 400-500 cranes building buildings in a City with no people. There is a bubble that is hidden by communism and the Chinese governments ability to report only what it wants to report.

    The group I worked with was asked to invest $500M into China. We met with the real estate head of one of the largest global banks. He said, "Takes fees and invest nothing into China. We lost our shirts".

    It is for this reason there are groups of people moving vast sums of funds out of China as fast a possible. It is a bubble and a giant bubble at that.

    Also, look to Europe. Bubble with a declining GDP.

    So, you have multiple global bubbles. The concern for everyone should be the domino popping sound of all countries because they are all printing like crazy ---- study Japan a bit and you will see a much scarier picture than the US.
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  7. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Considering your knowledge of what you have seen and heard.... do you have an idea on the timeline? Just thought I would ask...though I suspect the answer is "anytime coming soon"....
  8. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    YD: Until they can't prop it anymore. The problem will always be: when things begin to look bad around the world, why does all the money flow into the US economy (currency)? The answer is that we are still the country with the best ownership rights, the highest potential for entrepreneurial success, etc. Until there is a truly viable alternative, the time will be pushed ...... I believe the day of reckoning will be in my generation. According to the classifications, I am a Gen Xer (Post 1964). But who can predict a collapse? I believe there will be another "great" war to prolong the party for as long as possible.
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  9. mysterymet

    mysterymet Monkey+++

    My guess 5 years just because of some stuff I've heard from people in my company similar sentiment to clyde's. We are etting near a point globally where something has got to give...
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