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Second Amendment Gun ban would protect more than 2,200 firearms

Discussion in 'Bill of Rights' started by tulianr, Feb 17, 2013.

  1. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

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      Associated Press/FBI - This undated evidence photo, provided by retired FBI agent Edmund Mireles, shows the Ruger Mini–14 used by one of the shooters in the deadly April 11, 1986 bank robbery shootout in Miami
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Congress' latest crack at a new assault weapons ban would protect more than 2,200 specific firearms, including a semi-automatic rifle that is nearly identical to one of the guns used in the bloodiest shootout in FBI history.

    One model of that firearm, the Ruger .223 caliber Mini-14, is on the proposed list to be banned, while a different model of the same gun is on a list of exempted firearms in legislation the Senate is considering. The gun that would be protected from the ban has fixed physical features and can't be folded to be more compact. Yet the two firearms are equally deadly.

    "What a joke," said former FBI agent John Hanlon, who survived the 1986 shootout in Miami. He was shot in the head, hand, groin and hip with a Ruger Mini-14 that had a folding stock. Two FBI agents died and five others were wounded.

    Hanlon recalled lying on the street as brass bullet casings showered on him. He thought the shooter had an automatic weapon.

    Feinstein said in a written response to questions from The Associated Press that the list of more than 2,200 exempted firearms was designed to "make crystal clear" that the bill would not affect hunting and sporting weapons.

    The gun industry, which is fighting any sort of ban, says gun ownership in the U.S. is the highest it's ever been, with more than 100 million firearms owners.

    Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden have traveled around the country in an effort to gain support for new laws. Feinstein's proposal is the only sweeping piece of legislation designed to ban assault weapons currently being considered.

    But some gun experts say the lists of banned and exempted firearms show a lack of understanding and expertise of guns.

    "There's no logic to it," said Greg Danas, president of a Massachusetts-based expert witness business and firearms ballistic laboratory. "What kind of effect is it going to have?"

    Feinstein's bill defines an assault weapon as a semi-automatic firearm with a detachable magazine that has one of several military characteristics that are specified in her legislation.

    Examples of those characteristics include a pistol grip, which makes a firearm easier to hold, and a forward grip, which makes the firearm easier to stabilize to improve accuracy.

    Any firearm that does not fall within the law's definition of an assault weapon would not be banned. As a result, the list gives vulnerable politicians cover from constituents who do not want to give up their firearms.

    But gun experts say the lists in 1994 and the expanded lists of today don't make much sense.

    "The bill demonstrates a shocking ignorance of the product they are purporting to regulate," said Lawrence Keane, senior vice president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association based in Newtown, Conn., that represents gun manufacturers. "I have no idea how they arrived at this list. It would seem to be random, bordering on throwing darts at a dart board."

    For instance, Feinstein's current proposal includes exemptions for three specific types of the M-1 Carbine, an assault rifle designed for the military that the U.S. currently bans from being imported. A draft of the legislation, created and modified in November and early December last year, banned the M-1 Carbine and didn't exempt any models, according to a copy obtained by the AP.

    At a Jan. 30 hearing by the Senate Judiciary Committee on gun violence, National Rifle Association President Wayne LaPierre said Feinstein's bill is "based on falsehoods to people that do not understand firearms, to convince them that the performance characteristics of guns that they are trying to ban through that bill are different than the performance characteristics that they're not trying to ban."

    The Ruger Mini-14 is a perfect example.

    The model that has a fixed stock would be exempted by Feinstein's ban; the weapon was protected in the 1994 law as well. A Ruger Mini-14 with a collapsible and folding stock would be illegal.

    The guns fire the same caliber bullet and can take detachable magazines that could hold dozens of rounds of ammunition. The folding stock only reduces the gun's length by 2.75 inches, according to the manufacturer's website.

    "It's irrelevant," Edmund Mireles, an FBI agent who survived the Miami shootout, said of the differences in features. "They're equally dangerous."

    Hanlon considered the differences between the two models and whether the events of April 11, 1986, would have been different if the shooter used a Ruger Mini-14 with a fixed stock. "I don't think it would have changed a damn thing," he said. "I don't see what makes that gun less dangerous."

    Gun ban would protect more than 2,200 firearms - Yahoo! News
  2. ditch witch

    ditch witch resident bacon hoarder Site Supporter+

    LOL@"protect". Yahoo's headlines crack me up sometimes.
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  3. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    War is peace.
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  4. NWPilgrim

    NWPilgrim Monkey++

    Any more protection like this and it will get chilly in the gulag.
  5. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Everyone knows that a folding stock is more deadly than a standard stock....and....they hurt more....sounds like a good call to me. :rolleyes:
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  6. NotSoSneaky

    NotSoSneaky former supporter

    Slavery is freedom.
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  7. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Stupid is stupid.
  8. bfayer

    bfayer Keeper Of The Faith

    M1 Carbine is an assault rifle.

    That made me laugh.
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  9. DMGoddess

    DMGoddess Monkey+

    Gee, I was going to post that article to give everyone a heads up, and maybe a good laugh. I see someone beat me to it. This makes as much sense, and will do as much good, as when everyone panicked her in California in 1989.

    I also thought this was worth reading, although it probably won't tell anyone here anything they don't know.

    Gun Free Zones
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