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Gun-Bigots Hard At Work While the Country Mourns

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by HK_User, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    Gun-Bigots Hard At Work While the Country Mourns​

    At a time when the country mourns with the families who lost loved ones in the Connecticut tragedy, the political gun-bigots are hard at work.

    Although there have been no direct ties confirmed between assault weapons, high capacity magazines, or the private sale or purchase of any of the firearms used, the criminal act and loss of life will be the "excuse" used.

    Read NRA's report on the Feinstein proposal and act now.

    Congress will be back in Washington next week. The holidays are over. Let your voice be heard. For more links go the the NRA site below

    NRA-ILA | Feinstein Goes For Broke With New Gun-Ban Bill

    Feinstein Goes For Broke With New Gun-Ban Bill​
    Posted on December 27, 2012​
    Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)-author of the federal "assault weapon" and "large" ammunition magazine ban of 1994-2004-has announced that on the first day of the new Congress-January 3rd- she will introduce a bill to which her 1994 ban will pale by comparison. On Dec. 17th, Feinstein said, "I have been working with my staff for over a year on this legislation" and "It will be carefully focused." Indicating the depth of her research on the issue, she said on Dec. 21st that she had personally looked at pictures of guns in 1993, and again in 2012.
    According to a Dec. 27th posting on Sen. Feinstein's website and a draft of the bill obtained by NRA-ILA, the new ban would, among other things, adopt new definitions of "assault weapon" that would affect a much larger variety of firearms, require current owners of such firearms to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act, and require forfeiture of the firearms upon the deaths of their current owners. Some of the changes in Feinstein's new bill are as follows:
    • Reduces, from two to one, the number of permitted external features on various firearms. The 1994 ban permitted various firearms to be manufactured only if they were assembled with no more than one feature listed in the law. Feinstein's new bill would prohibit the manufacture of the same firearms with even one of the features.
    • Adopts new lists of prohibited external features. For example, whereas the 1994 ban applied to a rifle or shotgun the "pistol grip" of which "protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon," the new bill would drastically expand the definition to include any "grip . . . or any other characteristic that can function as a grip." Also, the new bill adds "forward grip" to the list of prohibiting features for rifles, defining it as "a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip." Read literally and in conjunction with the reduction from two features to one, the new language would apply to every detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifle. At a minimum, it would, for example, ban all models of the AR-15, even those developed for compliance with California's highly restrictive ban.
    • Carries hyperbole further than the 1994 ban. Feinstein's 1994 ban listed "grenade launcher" as one of the prohibiting features for rifles. Her 2013 bill carries goes even further into the ridiculous, by also listing "rocket launcher." Such devices are restricted under the National Firearms Act and, obviously, are not standard components of the firearms Feinstein wants to ban. Perhaps a subsequent Feinstein bill will add "nuclear bomb," "particle beam weapon," or something else equally far-fetched to the features list.
    • Expands the definition of "assault weapon" by including:
      • Three very popular rifles: The M1 Carbine (introduced in 1944 and for many years sold by the federal government to individuals involved in marksmanship competition), a model of the Ruger Mini-14, and most or all models of the SKS.
      • Any "semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds," except for tubular-magazine .22s.
      • Any "semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches," any "semiautomatic handgun with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds," and any semi-automatic handgun that has a threaded barrel.
    • Requires owners of existing "assault weapons" to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act (NFA). The NFA imposes a $200 tax per firearm, and requires an owner to submit photographs and fingerprints to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), to inform the BATFE of the address where the firearm will be kept, and to obtain the BATFE's permission to transport the firearm across state lines.
    • Prohibits the transfer of "assault weapons." Owners of other firearms, including those covered by the NFA, are permitted to sell them or pass them to heirs. However, under Feinstein's new bill, "assault weapons" would remain with their current owners until their deaths, at which point they would be forfeited to the government.
    • Prohibits the domestic manufacture and the importation of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The 1994 ban allowed the importation of such magazines that were manufactured before the ban took effect. Whereas the 1994 ban protected gun owners from errant prosecution by making the government prove when a magazine was made, the new ban includes no such protection. The new ban also requires firearm dealers to certify the date of manufacture of any >10-round magazine sold, a virtually impossible task, given that virtually no magazines are stamped with their date of manufacture.
    • Targets handguns in defiance of the Supreme Court. The Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects the right to have handguns for self-defense, in large part on the basis of the fact handguns are the type of firearm "overwhelmingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose." Semi-automatic pistols, which are the most popular handguns today, are designed to use detachable magazines, and the magazines "overwhelmingly chosen" by Americans for self-defense are those that hold more than 10 rounds. Additionally, Feinstein's list of nearly 1,000 firearms exempted by name (see next paragraph) contains not a single handgun. Sen. Feinstein advocated banning handguns before being elected to the Senate, though she carried a handgun for her own personal protection.
    • Contains a larger piece of window dressing than the 1994 ban. Whereas the 1994 ban included a list of approximately 600 rifles and shotguns exempted from the ban by name, the new bill's list is increased to nearly 1,000 rifles and shotguns. Other than for the 11 detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles and one other semi-automatic rifle included in the list, however, the list appears to be pointless, because a separate provision of the bill exempts "any firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action."
    The Department of Justice study. On her website, Feinstein claims that a study for the DOJ found that the 1994 ban resulted in a 6.7 percent decrease in murders.

    To the contrary, this is what the study said: "At best, the assault weapons ban can have only a limited effect on total gun murders, because the banned weapons and magazines were never involved in more than a modest fraction of all gun murders. Our best estimate is that the ban contributed to a 6.7 percent decrease in total gun murders between 1994 and 1995. . . . However, with only one year of post-ban data, we cannot rule out the possibility that this decrease reflects chance year-to-year variation rather than a true effect of the ban. Nor can we rule out effects of other features of the 1994 Crime Act or a host of state and local initiatives that took place simultaneously."

    "Assault weapon" numbers and murder trends. From the imposition of Feinstein's "assault weapon" ban (Sept. 13, 1994) through the present, the number of "assault weapons" has risen dramatically.

    For example, the most common firearm that Feinstein considers an "assault weapon" is the AR-15 rifle, the manufacturing numbers of which can be gleaned from the BATFE's firearm manufacturer reports, available on the NRA website use the web address above.

    From 1995 through 2011, the number of AR-15s-all models of which Feinstein's new bill defines as "assault weapons"-rose by over 2.5 million. During the same period, the nation's murder rate fell 48 percent, to a 48-year low. According to the FBI, 8.5 times as many people are murdered with knives, blunt objects and bare hands, as with rifles of any type.

    Traces: Feinstein makes several claims, premised on firearm traces, hoping to convince people that her 1994 ban reduced the (relatively infrequent) use of "assault weapons" in crime.

    However, traces do not indicate how often any type of gun is used in crime.

    As the Congressional Research Service and the BATFE have explained, not all firearms that are traced have been used in crime, and not all firearms used in crime are traced. Whether a trace occurs depends on whether a law enforcement agency requests that a trace be conducted.

    Given that existing "assault weapons" were exempted from the 1994 ban and new "assault weapons" continued to be made while the ban was in effect, any reduction in the percentage of traces accounted for by "assault weapons" during the ban, would be attributable to law enforcement agencies losing interest in tracing the firearms, or law enforcement agencies increasing their requests for traces on other types of firearms, as urged by the BATF for more than a decade.

    Call Your U.S. Senators and Representative: As noted, Feinstein intends to introduce her bill on January 3rd. President Obama has said that gun control will be a "central issue" of his final term in office, and he has vowed to move quickly on it.

    Contact your members of Congress at 202-224-3121

    Urge them to oppose Sen. Feinstein's 2013 gun and magazine ban. Our elected representatives in Congress must hear from you if we are going to defeat this gun ban proposal. You can write your Representatives and Senators by using our Write Your Representatives tool here:

    NRA-ILA | Write Your Reps

    Millions of Americans own so-called "assault weapons" and tens of millions own "large" magazines, for self-defense, target shooting, and hunting.

    For more information about the history of the "assault weapon" issue, please visit
    Home Page

    Read Tripp Talk at TSRA - Protecting Your Gun Rights

    As gun bills are filed in the Texas Legislature, watch for posts and updates. Also read bill text at Texas Legislature Online

    Never has gun-ownership been at risk as it is today.
    Please act quickly!
  2. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    There will be careful and thoughtful deliberation of the bill on Jan 3rd.
    Just like the FISA extension.
  3. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    SURE, just like the quick reply from the Feinstein group that appeared 3 days after the shooting. I hear that Col. North has some things to say about the "canned" announcmnet from the Anti Gun Feinsteins.
  4. jasonl6

    jasonl6 Monkey+

    I'm not registering shit!
  5. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    I will obey a legally passed law.
    Passed by a Legal Congress.
    With a Legal Commander in Chief in the White House.
    I will Defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.
    Seawolf1090 and scrapman21009 like this.
  6. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    Well KNOW the extent of registering,,
    In Canada , they FORCED you to register to buy rounds / Co2 for air pistols / anything !!! BUT once
    registered , they (Cops/ Gov / any friggin BS ) could legally enter your domain & house
    because they had a clause for search and ?? because you
    registered the BS with them.In he finer print PLUS ++++

    NOW all the "So called Legal folks" are pissed beacause cops no longer ask to come in on house calls , they are told they have a POL/Registered FIRE ARM , that is door open searching.

    Not spoken about much till your in the right arena, coz Canada has become a Monarchical controlled "Police State"
    MADD want's to pass "Swabbing" of your mouth for drugs on roadside checks,, "SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS"

    Out of Control !!!!

    oldawg and Gator 45/70 like this.
  7. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    Well that all comes from the Canadians being subjects and not having a US Constitution.

    And I guess you really need to read my post and understand it.

    I will obey a legally passed law.
    Passed by a Legal Congress.
    With a Legal Commander in Chief in the White House.
    I will Defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.
  8. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    If you are correct then you are talking about an ulawful governemt that uses a law for Co2 to overthrow privacy laws, it doesn't wash.
    None the less can you give me a reference to each of the charges above.

    Should make good reading and fine fodder to give back to the anti gunners.
  9. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

  10. Sapper John

    Sapper John Analog Monkey in a Digital World

    Amen little brother, amen!
  11. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    I did read your post , And was letting you know the Canadian BS on the Gun registry.
    The files were never completed or were not totally finished , but after 15 years , they say they now have thrown them away ? destroyed,
    Quebec said they wanted all the files , so now I have no idea where it stands , last i heard it's still in the courts .
    I heard on the radio/news that the costs are over a few billion & that was in 2007.

    Some links but Im sure you can use Google yourself.
    Google search

    Swab Test: A Popular Way To Check For Drug Usage

    MADD wants drivers' saliva tested for drugs - Canada - CBC News

    Just this year , I have gone through 5 roadside police checks , If you even get short or quick with the volunteer cop , YOUR evening is gone & so is $$$.. This is if your sober & sick of waiting in lines ..We also have cops that stand in the center of the road , yelling and waving folks over for seat belt violations.
    I was not lucky enough to have my camera with me on the speeding ticket farse they had . 5 cop cars and at least 8 cops ,, I watched one foolish cop walk backwards into the oncoming lane while trying to get a speeder to pull over. No one was hit , but I did hit the horn and slam on the brakes , came to a stop on a 60 MPH/100 kph road , with cars behind me also laying on the brakes..

    The cop who Tarazed the Polish gent , because in an international Airport , no one speaks polish ? That cop later killed a motorcyclist and got a fine of 150K...
    The link has many movies & references to the BS here.

    Years ago , i did believe in trusting Cops, NOW , NFW.

    I have seen too many over reactions for simply just taking a different approach..

    I have spoken & felt a totally different feel with the USA cops of Washington and Oregon plus in a few more states but forget which state, than with the RCMP or OPP in Ontario . Not that I am in trouble , but in my Job I travel .

    Mountainman likes this.
  12. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    I don't know what's on TV in your neck of the woods, but I think 'Bowling for Columbine' has been on some channel here on Comcast for the past week . . . every night.

    Indoctrination . . . the sheeple need to be told what to think about guns . . . B4C just reinforces what the govt. wants.
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