Gun control you should prepare for right now

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Yard Dart, Oct 7, 2017.

  1. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator


    Following the tragic and bizarre shooting that occurred in Las Vegas last weekend, there’s no doubt that stricter gun control measures are coming. Even President Donald Trump and congressional Republicans are expressing a willingness to go along with new firearm laws. Just how far will the freedom robbing attack on American 2nd Amendment rights go?

    In the immediate aftermath of the Vegas bloodshed, Democrats wasted no time calling for a bevy of new gun laws. And before a single piece of new gun control legislation was introduced, the Democrats were making headway in stifling 2nd Amendment freedoms.

    That’s because House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) decided to drop a bill which would make it easier for American shooting sport enthusiast to obtain firearm suppressors from the legislative agenda.

    “I don’t know when it will be scheduled,” Ryan said.

    There’s a strong likelihood that the answer is never.

    In the meantime, plenty of legislative proposals aimed at taking away 2nd Amendment rights are going to have a day in front of the nation’s elected class. Many of them will draw bipartisan support, some already are.

    Already legislation is emerging in both chambers to make illegal “bump-stocks,” which allow semi-automatic firearms to fire more rapidly by allowing the weapon to move freely and bounce off a shooters trigger finger.

    Never mind that the same effect can be accomplished without fitting the weapons with the specialized stocks, lawmakers are incorrectly describing the devices as a sort of bolt-on automatic fire conversion for sporting rifles.

    A version of the legislation being pushed in the Senate by Democrat Sen. Dianne Feinstein reads: “It shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a trigger crank, a bump-fire device or any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machine gun.”

    In other words, you’d better get rid of that sliding stock within 180 days of passage or risk a visit from the ATF.

    A bipartisan version of the legislation being worked on in the House by Reps. Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.) and Seth Moulton (D-Mass.).

    The ban is expected to draw hefty bipartisan support.

    Texas Republican Rep. Bill Flores told The Hill he’s all-in for the legislation, saying: “I think they should be banned. There’s no reason for a typical gun owner to own anything that converts a semi-automatic to something that behaves like an automatic.”

    “Based on the videos I heard and saw, and now that I’ve studied up on what a bump stock is — I didn’t know there was such a thing — there’s no reason for it,” he added.

    “I have no problem from banning myself from owning it.”

    The National Rifle Association evidently agrees. In a statement Thursday, it called on the ATF to immediately review the legality of the stocks:

    In Las Vegas, reports indicate that certain devices were used to modify the firearms involved. Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.

    I tend to agree with Flores that bump-stocks are pretty pointless. But banning the devices is the first step on a slippery slope to more extreme gun control measures.

    Rep. Bill Foster (D-Ill.), for instance, told PJ Media Tuesday that he believes Americans who own semi-automatic rifles should be forced to keep the firearms under lock and key at gun clubs.

    “I would hope that when you look at what’s happened with mass shootings in the last years that we, at a minimum, establish the principle that if you are going to own a military-type weapon that should be locked away in a gun club and not carried in public – that is completely consistent with the Second Amendment and it’s a principle that we should apply nationally,” Foster said.

    The lawmaker added that the scheme is consistent with the 2nd Amendment because it fits the definition of “well-regulated.”

    Rep. Alan Lowenthal (D-Calif.), meanwhile, told the outlet that the manufacture of such weapons should be banned.

    “We should not be selling guns of mass destruction like that. Those are not guns that are used for people to defend themselves in their homes. Those are guns that are just used to kill hundreds and injure hundreds of people. They’re not really used for self-defense. They are offensive weapons, that’s what they were designed to be, plus we don’t have a system of really complete background checks,” Lowenthal said.

    The goal is to create the narrative that anyone who wants to own certain types of firearms or more than a “normal number” of firearms is a potential terror threat. Though we know little else about him, there’s plenty of information floating around about how many and what type of firearms the Las Vegas shooter purchased.
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  2. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    Cold Dead Hands, laying atop a smoking pile of brass, a spent 1911 in one hand and a bowie in the other! Awaken cold Iron, Awaken!!!!
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  3. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Offensive weapons are crew serviced and bigger.
    If some group tries to invade another country other than France or Canada using only these "purely offensive assault weapons" they will die quickly and look stupid doing so.
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  4. Big Ron

    Big Ron Monkey++

    Sad watching people so willing to give up freedoms and rights. I didn't even know about bum stops.I always aimed and conserved ammunition. The sound suppressor idea seemed good for saving peoples hearing.
  5. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    "Not used for self defense..."?
    Uh, yes. They have been quite often.
    It is always tragic when an elitist group of self-serving people make laws when they have no understanding of the subject. Rather like getting critical medical advice from a garbageman.
  6. oldman11

    oldman11 Monkey+++

    When they find out you can do the same thing with a cigarette butt,what will happen? If we don't stand up now,then semi-auto's are next.
  7. Tempstar

    Tempstar Pray for BT

    Folks, we all know deep down that we will eventually lose the 2nd amendment. History has proven that governments out grow the will of the majorities of it's people in favor of the opinions of the elitist few, and tyranny is then born. From local courts to the big Fed itself, it's all become a game of going through the motions resembling democracy. As long as the types of events like Las Vegas happen, the elitist left gains more ground in making their argument for removing firearms from our society more viable.
    Already, legislation to remove suppressors from Class 3 status has been postponed, Bills are being written to ban bump fire stocks (a gadget few knew about and even fewer cared for) that will include any modification device to make a semi-auto fire any differently, and the talk is starting again about a full ban on any semi-auto rifle. All of this in just five days! Try to get your elected officials to move that fast on anything else.
  8. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    The reality is that Bump-fire stock will be outlawed And, no one will ask the voters/citizens/taxpayers if they approve or disapprove. I will also bet that all aspects of owning a Full-Auto firearm will be reviewed and made stricter and more costly, impossibly costly. Wanna bet? Again, voters/citizens/taxpayers will not be ask even what their opinion is on the matter...Land of the Free? Nonsense. A fairy tale we were spoon fed to believe as children...but back on topic.

    The true question is will they attempt to revoke the legal status of semi-auto firearms. My guess is yes, they will attempt it and raise holy hell but it will not be approved and they know this and understand this but the attempt brings lots of publicity and starts the process of bringing those to their side for the time when they next get in office. I personally believe that if Hillary would have got into office along with taking both Houses we would already see semi-autos illegal, it might have push the country over the edge but understand Hillary and her followers would have felt vindicated because they can point to events like Vegas to show that they are in the right, along with all the other countries of the world, they are the good guys and gun owners are the bad guys, simple logic, such as, why would anyone need a semi-auto anyway, not for self-defense, not for hunting?

    PS. On a side note, what we need is a different form of government because I have become to believe that our form of Democracy isn't working in the modern world because our Representatives are too influenced by power, money and politics - basically corruption. What we need is the pure Greek form of Democracy, 1 man/woman = 1 vote on every issue, every law, everything (we can adjust fire later but that is the gist and doable using modern electronics/communications). Turn the corrupt Representatives into powerless Administrators, clerks, then see how many want to make a career of it. Okay, enough daydreaming...
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  9. natshare

    natshare Monkey+++

    Never had any use for a slide-fire or bump stock, myself. But Feinstein's ban of "trigger cranks" would effectively ban a silly/fun project I saw once: the 10/22 Gatling gun kit!
    GATLING GUN KITS - Tactical Innovations Inc. - Idaho Official Website

    I mean, come on....does anyone really think that you're going to take down the "gummint" with one of these?? :rolleyes:

    And that's how the gun grabbers do it. Add enough meaningless blather into a bill, and you can interpret it to mean ANYTHING. (n)
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  10. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    I hate these knee jerk reactions
    It's a never ending fight with the anti's
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  11. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    They are obeying that little buddy of the First Illegal Alien Muslim, remember, "Never let a good crises go to waste!"
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  12. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Of course not. That's what the elected representatives are supposed to take care of.
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  13. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    @ghrit and @Gator 45/70
    Yes, ghrit/Gator, I truly understand our workings of government (Republic), for better or worse, and that is my point...and truly I find your rebuttal to be insulting, as if I do not understand how our government is suppose to work...which, of course, it does not...

    We, as a people, can no longer trust anyone to represent us. The problem is that it's simply too lucrative (in more ways than one) for any individual - so - take them out of the equation. I mean, honestly, how many times does your elective representative actually represent you? They are bought and paid for as soon as they raise their hand. Enough! I do not need or want ANYONE to represent me. All I want is a vote, my desire being expressed and documented as a free citizen in a free country, not some fairly tale piece of bullshit that I have been force fed with every war they needed warm bodies - wave the flag, chant the chant and beat the drum. Personally, I've had enough. You want to beat the drum and wave the colors you go ahead...but I will not longer follow until I know it is indeed in benefit for my countrymen whom I do still believe, trust, and will follow...not all of course, but even here there are good folk, honest people, real Americans... But, in all honesty, I've had enough...home 21/2 years after a lifetime abroad and I have had enough.............
  14. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    Guess my bag of extra stiff rubber bands will be illegal since they are a device that can be used to increase the rate of fire............ and string and belt loops and and and.
  15. covey leader

    covey leader Practice makes perfect

    Full auto...meh.
    I've enjoyed recreational and competitive shooting for 30 years. I also vividly remember paying $20 for well used GI mags during the AWB. When the AWB sunset and prices returned to normal, I ensured and continue to ensure that my family, their children and their children's children will have the ability to defend themselves. That's all I'm going to say about that.
    The slippery slope's incline increases after every shooting and election. When they knock on your door, you going to live on your knees or die on your feet?
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  16. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    In a pile of brass!!!!! [YD]
  17. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Do you think the Liberal heads would explode if one
    Dropped a Slide fire on a buffer tube,
    Mounted this on a No Bo 2012 Hope and Change lower then,
    Dropped in a Fos-Tech Echo trigger then,
    Installed a 100 rd mag?
    How far would the brains fly?
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  18. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    Trick question Gator. They have no brains.
  19. covey leader

    covey leader Practice makes perfect

    Indeed sir.
  20. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I shall not be compliant with ANY knee-jerk firearms laws that do nothing to disarm criminals.I Will not comply, I will not apologize. If they infringe upon my rights as a Free man and I validate their doing so, then I am not a true believe in our Constitution. Here in the South, everybody owns guns and we have been invaded by an army intent upon destroying our way of life and they pretty much did.
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