Gun-Free-Zone Liability

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  1. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Gun-Free-Zone Liability --

    "If you create a gun-free zone, you're liable for any harm it causes."

    This may be the most important pro-rights gun bill to come down in many years.

    A version of the bill was first introduced in Arizona (HB2456 in 2002) by Rep. Randy Graf (R-6th), with considerable support (12 sponsors!).
    In 2003, Rep. Graf re-introduced it in Arizona (HB 2320). The state of Georgia joined the effort to enact this important new legislation with HB31, introduced by Rep. Bobby Franklin (R-17th). At least two other states actively considered the bill.
    The Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act has excellent value even if it isn't enacted in its first years -- it is a just and common-sense bill that would help protect the public. Resisting its reasonable provisions requires taking the moral low ground -- that you have no right to defend yourself. A lot of very bad gun bills are planned, so it's critical to balance that with bills as positive as this one. Ask your legislators to at least look at the bill and support it. Basically, "If you create a gun-free zone, you're liable for any harm it causes."



    Talking Points & Bill Text
    "If you create a gun-free zone, you're liable for any harm it causes."
    "If you create a gun-free zone, you're liable for any harm it causes."
    (NOTE: Copy of the proposed bill text follows.)

    Originally introduced in Arizona as The Defenseless Victim Act of 2002, this bill recognizes that gun-free zones, recklessly made and typically with no alternative security provided, are known to be extremely dangerous.
    We have seen this (when the bill was first introduced) in the Wakefield, Mass., slayings, the Luby's Massacre, and even the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, where pilots and passengers were defenseless, in the false name of security. Congress responded to that with the "Arm The Pilots" law.
    The death toll from gun-free zones continues to mount, with the 2007 Virginia Tech slaughter of helpless students and faculty, and at a Christmastime massacre that year in an Omaha shopping mall. The mall had "no guns allowed" signs to keep out FBI-certified citizens with CCW permits. The murderer, as in all such cases, disobeyed the signs. The news media continues to suppress stories where armed individuals stop such mayhem. See for example, The Bias Against Guns, by John Lott, for numerous egregious examples. You can also read this eloquent gun-bias editorial online.
    The Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act basically says that, in public places, if you create a dangerous gun-free zone, you're liable for any harm it causes. There is no cost or budget item associated with enacting this bill.
    The idea that gun-free zones are safe is fraudulent.
    It is a mythology perpetrated by anti-rights activists who can often be recognized by their beliefs that:

    1 - self defense should be illegal,
    2 - guns should be confiscated,
    3 - no one but "authorities" should have guns,
    4 - government can take care of you better than you can.
    The anti-self-defense lobby would tell you to rely upon the police for your safety, but they always omit the inconvenient facts that:

    1 - police have no legal duty to protect you;

    2 - they routinely respond only after an event to pick up the pieces;
    3 - when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

    In the tragic homicides above
    and countless others you see on TV,
    the police don't draw their guns,
    they draw chalk lines when you're gone.*

    A person who would deny your right
    or ability to self defense is as violent and
    wrong as the person who assaults you.

    Acting in self defense against a criminal assault is legally guaranteed in all 50 states and federally, as it should be. It is as old as the first written laws of civilization. Denying the fundamental right to self preservation is unjust, immoral, dangerous and should not be tolerated.

    The notion that gun-free zones are safe is fraud perpetrated on the public:

    a) Only innocent victims like you and me are affected. Armed criminals ignore no-guns signs and could care less -- they're laughing at you.

    b) No alternate form of security is provided. You are knowingly and recklessly made vulnerable, while property management accepts no responsibility for your safety or their negligent behavior. The bill addresses only blatantly anti-gun-rights actions that would callously disarm you and ignore your plight.

    c) Despite bias in news coverage and the fear-mongering left, privately held firearms have been repeatedly shown to deter and prevent crime in one scholarly study after another (detailed at great length in Armed, by Kleck and Kates). Since the nation's inception we have known and embraced the freedom-giving truth that guns protect the innocent, and that this is good.
    d) Denial of your civil rights under color of law is a federal offense under 18 USC §241 and 18 USC § 242:
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Gist: Anyone who, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, custom or regulation, willfully deprives any person of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, shall be fined, or imprisoned for up to one year, or both.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If bodily injury results, or if the violation includes the use or attempted or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosive or fire, the prison term rises to up to ten years. If death results, or if such acts include kidnapping, attempted kidnapping, aggravated sexual assault, attempted aggravated sexual assault, or an attempt to kill, the violator may be fined, imprisoned for any term of years up to life, or put to death. [/FONT]
    Initial reactions to the Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act have been highly supportive by knowledgeable people in the gun-rights movement. It shows all the signs of becoming a major national rallying point. This could turn into one of the key gun issues of the decade (literally, the right to bear arms), especially if terrorist attacks continue and defenseless innocent victims are slaughtered.

    The public-opinion value alone, forcing the other side to support helplessness and victimization, are worth the effort. Now is a good time to bring this issue into the spotlight.

    The bill was first introduced as HB2456, sponsored by a dozen representatives, in the 45th session in Arizona (2002). The legislators say it gives them something to sink their teeth into. Give your legislators something this good -- ask them to introduce the Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act in your state, for all the right reasons.

    Some additional observations appear after the following bill text.

    This is good law, supportive of our fundamental rights,
    a deterrent to criminals who would perpetrate attacks,
    a winner in the publicity battle over gun rights,
    and it places responsibility squarely on those
    who would cause harm by their direct actions.

    It deserves to be enacted.

    Please give it your support.

    Ask your representatives to introduce and vote for
    the Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act.

    Alan Korwin, Author
    Gun Laws of America
    Scottsdale, AZ


    Sample Language:

    The Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act of 2008

    Establishes liability for harm caused by criminal conduct, when such
    conduct is wholly or partially enabled by limiting an individual's right
    or ability to self defense.

    REFERENCE TITLE: Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act
    State of Arizona
    (sponsoring house)
    Forty-Eighth Legislature
    Second Regular Session

    __.B. _____ Introduced by ________________________

    Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:
    Section 1. Title 13, Chapter 31, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by
    adding new section 13-3119:

    A.R.S. §13-3119. Gun-Free-Zone Liability.

    A. Any person, organization or entity, or any agency of government that creates a gun-free zone shall be liable for damages resulting from criminal conduct that occurs against an individual in such gun-free zone, if a reasonable person would believe that possession of a firearm could have helped the individual defend against such conduct. In the event the conduct is a result of a terrorist attack as federally defined, or adversely affects a disabled person, a person who is a member of a minority as federally defined, a senior citizen or a child under 16 years of age, treble damages shall apply.

    B. For the purposes of this section, criminal conduct shall include offenses specified under this title in Chapter 11 (Homicide), Chapter 12 (Assault and Related Offenses), Chapter 13 (Kidnapping), Chapter 14 (Sexual Offenses), Chapter 15 (Criminal Trespass and Burglary), Chapter 17 (Arson), Chapter 19 (Robbery), Chapter 25 (Escape and Related Offenses), Chapter 29 (Offenses Against Public Order) and Chapter 36 (Family Offenses).

    C. For the purposes of this section, the term "gun-free zone" shall mean any building, place, area or curtilage that is open to the public, or in or upon any public conveyance, where a person's right or ability to keep arms or to bear arms is infringed, restricted or diminished in any way by statute, policy, rule, regulation, ordinance, utterance or posted signs.



    • It's critically important that pro-rights individuals put forth bills to keep the unfriendlies off balance and busy swatting at all the flies (like they do to us so effectively). Force the antis into defensiveness. If you want some ideas for outrageous affronts to the anti-rights crowd, check out Sunshine Gun Laws, under Position Papers at

    • If you have a problem with holding people accountable for death and mayhem they cause by enabling crime, then of course you'll be against the Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act. That's a position some anti-rights activists may take. Bring 'em on. If nothing happens, i.e., they're correct and gun-free zones are pleasant, safe and crime free, then the bill has ZERO affect on anything -- and costs nothing. Personally, I think that facet is particularly edifying. Sort of like, what harm could it do?

    • Despite what some people have claimed, private property rights are unaffected by the Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act. Read it yourself and see. Gun-free zones are allowed, entirely at a property owner's free discretion just as they are now, and property rights remain 100% intact. You can keep guns, ban guns, allow only 9mm, it doesn't matter, and the new law is silent on this. There is NO coercion (and also no government spending!) in this bill at all. That's a big part of its beauty. In fact, only people who would ban your rights and ignore your plight are affected in any way, and then only if you're attacked and harmed on their grounds. No blood no foul.

    • Also note that truly private property like your home or ranch are exempt from the bill. ONLY public property or property open to the public is affected. There is a clear difference (well, some diehard libertarians might not agree, but you can't please everyone) between truly private property (like your home) and a place that is open to the public and privately run, like a mall, or WalMart. Public places have a well-established duty to provide a reasonably safe environment, and they have been getting a free ride on this issue, at your expense. They can still ban guns remember, and you can still go shop elsewhere. For a wonderful "No-Guns-No-Money" wallet card that you can leave with stores that won't allow you to enter armed, visit the Arizona Citizens Defense League site.

    • All this does is make clear that whoever creates an obviously dangerous situation, by forcing the disarmament of innocent people entering, ("legitimate" coercion by the property owner) -- which they're fully entitled to do under the bill -- there's a consequence for that risky action. As there should be for creating such a self-evidently unsafe situation. And it only matters if the danger manifests, and some psychopath turns the hair parlor into a victim zone. If there's no assault, then there's no problem. Gun-o-phobes can sleep tight thinking the rest of us are just a bunch of paranoids. The bill merely addresses criminally misguided notions of safety.

    • You may find that your legislators object on grounds that are hard to justify. I've had some tell me the bill would be fine if it only limited businesses, and left government gun-free zones, like parks and buses, intact (talk about hubris!). Other legislators, including an attorney whose clients are in business, say businesses should be excluded but government must be controlled! Just emphasize that gun-free zones are dangerous -- who sets them up is not the issue.

    Try thinking of this as the Luby's Massacre Act. Maybe that will help emphasize the blatant and profound fraud of proposing gun-free zones as safety nets. The heartless, insensitive, thoughtless perpetrators of defenseless victim zones should be ashamed of themselves.

    Try thinking of this as the Come-And-Go-As-You-Please Act. Instead of disarming in your car, using gun lockers, or avoiding some places altogether, you just travel about, armed or not as you prefer, and that's all. It's so much better when public places just let people come and go as they please, without signs and bans, to simply go about their business. This is how most public places act, and it is responsible or even patriotic. Think about it -- on a day-to-day basis, places without these deceptive gun-bans operate just fine. Arizona has more than 70,000 CCW-permit holders, and many other openly armed citizens, routinely, legally and peacefully coming and going.

    • Think about what the opposition will have to sound like to say they don't want any liability for murdered victims they had disarmed. They have to stand up for defenselessness. It's a good time for the Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act.

    * This phrase from a Cartridge Family Band song is used with permission.


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    Alan Korwin is the author of seven best-selling books on gun law, including the unabridged guide "Gun Laws of America--Every Federal Gun Law on the Books, with Plain English Summaries," and state gun guides for AZ, CA, FL, TX, VA. This paper is part of an ongoing series, click Position Papers on our home page, or write or call for copies.

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