Civics H.R.22 has already passed the House - revocation of passports and taxes

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Ganado, Dec 1, 2015.

  1. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    It doesnt matter if the tax lien is legitimate or not, if you have a tax lien they can revoke your passport if this law passes

    Text - H.R.22 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): Surface Transportation Reauthorization and Reform Act of 2015 | | Library of Congress

    SEC. 7345. Revocation or denial of passport in case of certain tax delinquencies.

    “(a) In general.—If the Secretary receives certification by the Commissioner of Internal Revenue that any individual has a seriously delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000, the Secretary shall transmit such certification to the Secretary of State for action with respect to denial, revocation, or limitation of a passport pursuant to section 52102(d) of the Transportation Funding Act of 2015.

    “(b) Seriously delinquent tax debt.—For purposes of this section, the term seriously delinquent tax debt means an outstanding debt under this title for which a notice of lien has been filed in public records pursuant to section 6323 or a notice of levy has been filed pursuant to section 6331, except that such term does not include—

    “(1) a debt that is being paid in a timely manner pursuant to an agreement under section 6159 or 7122, and

    “(2) a debt with respect to which collection is suspended because a collection due process hearing under section 6330, or relief under subsection (b), (c), or (f) of section 6015, is requested or pending.

    “(c) Adjustment for inflation.—In the case of a calendar year beginning after 2016, the dollar amount in subsection (a) shall be increased by an amount equal to—

    “(1) such dollar amount, multiplied by

    “(2) the cost-of-living adjustment determined under section 1(f)(3) for the calendar year, determined by substituting calendar year 2015 for calendar year 1992 in subparagraph (B) thereof.

    If any amount as adjusted under the preceding sentence is not a multiple of $1,000, such amount shall be rounded to the next highest multiple of $1,000.
    chapter 75 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new item:
  2. ditch witch

    ditch witch I do stupid crap, so you don't have to

    The IRS can turn a 3k debt into a 30k one in a heartbeat through fees and interest. Getting secondary citizenship and a second passport is looking better all the time.
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  3. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    I wonder how this will affect the Rev. Big Al Sharpton........ it just might impact his European vacations. :rolleyes:
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  4. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    I think 2016 is going to be a real shock to some because some of the Obamacare things will finally be put into place also. People will get slammed with new laws and taxes that they didn't realize. Thanks for posting this @Ganado. Didn't know this one.
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  5. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Hotel Commiefornia.
    You can checkout any time you want but you can never leave!
  6. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Metal weldin' monkey

    and no cool guitar solos...
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  7. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    You can leave.... But without a Passport, no other "Country" will take you... However you can go and try other States, and see if you can sponge off their Residents... Seems to me, if you are a Tax Cheater to the FEDs, that very likely you also are SCAMMING the State Systems as well... So, you need to find a State, that Loves Losers, at least as much as Commiefornia....
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  8. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    And we can just hope .....sorry had to choke there for a second....all we can do is hope that the nex president let's those presidential orders expire. :cautious:
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  9. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    They expire as soon as he leaves Office, and it is up to the NEW Guy to renew them, as he/she sees fit.... Most New Presidents spend their first working Day, signing Executive Orders, that they feel, the need to have on the books...
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  10. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    And we know how that works ehh. None of them let those existing powers slip away.
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  11. Pax Mentis

    Pax Mentis Philosopher King |RIP 11-4-2017

    You know B, the only problem with this is that we have a tax code larger and more complex than the entire body of laws in most countries...and a good part of it is cleverly designed to allow a person aware of the "juicy parts" to almost completely avoid taxation legally. The rub is that effectively, these are only available to the rich (unless you happen to have a college roommate who then went to Harvard Law and studied tax law under 2 former IRS Commissioners and owes you big time...but we won't talk about that). Your average middle or upper middle class working stiff just can't afford the rates charged by those who have gone to the elite schools to gain the knowledge nor the time to study the code itself and the associated rulings to gain the knowledge required to manipulate the system. Anyone who does have access to that knowledge can structure their income in such a way as to almost completely avoid taxation...and do it legally.

    This is why I have always had very mixed feelings about many "tax cheats"...even in the days when I was charged with putting them away.

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  12. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    May impact the feds also. Remember this headline: Federal workers and retirees owe the IRS $3.5 billion. I think these people do not even care if they cheat the gov't. imagine the gov't garnishing gov't wages.

    Federal workers owe the IRS $3.5 billion in unpaid taxes - Mar. 24, 2015
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  13. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    well its looking more and more like laws are being passed to keep people in the USA, federal workers owe 3.5b and that is only 3.3% of federal workers? what's wrong with this picture?

    back to the current bill HR22.... it may be designed for people like sharpton or even the clintons but it will affect people like you and me if the IRS decides that we owe money. It takes time to do an appeal so even if you dont actually own the IRS $$$ you have to spend time doing an appeal and in the meantime you cant leave the USA even on a vacation. This is my objection to this law.

    THe IRS doesn't have to 'prove' you owe money they can just 'say' they did an audit and later say 'sorry we were wrong' its another form of control. This passage to revoke passports does NOT belong in this transportation bill.
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  14. Pax Mentis

    Pax Mentis Philosopher King |RIP 11-4-2017

    Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of this legislation, but it would seem to me that "b(2)" would address your objection.
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  15. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    lol I know it seems reasonable @PaxMentis and penalties and interest add up quickly. I had the IRS go back 6 years (with no notification) and rack up a huge tax bill on me. The only way I knew was I had a small refund one year that I got a notice they had confiscated the refund. I am still battling this with large consequences 3 years later. The tax attorney is expensive and the penalties and interest add up if you dont pay them. I will win this in the end but it was a surprise to say the least.
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  16. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    It became law.... very disappointing.... another hit on your personal freedom

    Subtitle A--Tax Provisions

    (Sec. 32101) Amends the Internal Revenue Code to require the Department of the Treasury, upon receiving certification by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) that any individual has a seriously delinquent tax debt in excess of $50,000, to transmit the certification and disclose certain tax return information to the Department of State for action with respect to denial, revocation, or limitation of a passport for the individual. Prohibits State, upon receiving such certification, from issuing a passport to such an individual except in emergency circumstances or for humanitarian reasons. Requires State to revoke a passport previously issued to the individual; but to allows permitting a limited passport for return travel to the United States.

    Authorizes State to deny a passport application or revoke a passport if the application does not include the applicant's Social Security number, or includes an incorrect or invalid number willfully, intentionally, negligently, or recklessly provided by the applicant.

    (Sec. 32102) Directs the IRS to: (1) enter into qualified tax collection contracts to collect outstanding inactive tax receivables; (2) establish a program to hire, train, and employ special compliance personnel to collect taxes using the automated collection system; and (3) report to specified congressional committees on qualified tax collection contracts and the hiring and training of special compliance personnel.

    (Sec. 32104) Amends the Surface Transportation and Veterans Health Care Choice Improvement Act of 2015 to repeal the requirement that Treasury modify appropriate regulations to set maximum extension for the tax returns of employee benefit plans filing Form 5500 at an automatic three-and-a-half-month period ending on November 15 for calendar year plans.
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  17. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    It's sad that anybody can honestly believe the IRS is anything but a privately owned racketeering crime syndicate. Which they are, by the way.

    Courtesy of your friendly neighborhood patriots, who just love their "government" and trust all things FEDERAL. ;)
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  18. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    well its law now
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  19. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Well one could always buy passage on a sailboat leaving some small port heading south.
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  20. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    South? Well I don't speak Spanish. Imma gonna head north or east to Canada.
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