Hanoi Jane is upset . Who cares ?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Gator 45/70, Jul 16, 2011.

  1. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

  2. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker


    Yep she delerious or suffering from Alzhimers....
  3. beast

    beast backwoodsman

    can she prove it?
  4. Cephus

    Cephus Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Her radio address in the North.
    She should be in jail.


    Hotel Especen; Hanoi-Vietnam :: 7 APR 95, 1911 hours:
    The following public domain information is a transcript from the US Congress House Committee on Internal Security, Travel to Hostile Areas, HR 16742, 19-25 September, 1972, page 7671.
    [Radio Hanoi attributes talk on DRV visit to Jane Fonda; from Hanoi in English to American servicemen involved in the Indochina War, 1 PM GMT, 22 August 1972
    Text: Here's Jane Fonda telling her impressions at the end of her visit to the Democratic Republic of Vietnam;
    (follows recorded female voice with American accent);]

    <tt> This is Jane Fonda. During my two week visit in the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, I've had the opportunity to visit a great many places and speak to a large number of people from all walks of life--workers, peasants, students, artists and dancers, historians, journalists, film actresses, soldiers, militia girls, members of the women's union, writers. </tt><tt> I visited the (Dam Xuac) agricultural coop, where the silk worms are also raised and thread is made. I visited a textile factory, a kindergarten in Hanoi. The beautiful Temple of Literature was where I saw traditional dances and heard songs of resistance. I also saw unforgettable ballet about the guerrillas training bees in the south to attack enemy soldiers. The bees were danced by women, and they did their job well. </tt>
    <tt> In the shadow of the Temple of Literature I saw Vietnamese actors and actresses perform the second act of Arthur Miller's play All My Sons, and this was very moving to me--the fact that artists here are translating and performing American plays while US imperialists are bombing their country. </tt>
    <tt> I cherish the memory of the blushing militia girls on the roof of their factory, encouraging one of their sisters as she sang a song praising the blue sky of Vietnam--these women, who are so gentle and poetic, whose voices are so beautiful, but who, when American planes are bombing their city, become such good fighters. </tt>
    <tt> I cherish the way a farmer evacuated from Hanoi, without hesitation, offered me, an American, their best individual bomb shelter while US bombs fell near by. The daughter and I, in fact, shared the shelter wrapped in each others arms, cheek against cheek. It was on the road back from Nam Dinh, where I had witnessed the systematic destruction of civilian targets-schools, hospitals, pagodas, the factories, houses, and the dike system. </tt>
    <tt> As I left the United States two weeks ago, Nixon was again telling the American people that he was winding down the war, but in the rubble-strewn streets of Nam Dinh, his words echoed with sinister (words indistinct) of a true killer. And like the young Vietnamese woman I held in my arms clinging to me tightly--and I pressed my cheek against hers--I thought, this is a war against Vietnam perhaps, but the tragedy is America's. </tt>
    <tt> One thing that I have learned beyond a shadow of a doubt since I've been in this country is that Nixon will never be able to break the spirit of these people; he'll never be able to turn Vietnam, north and south, into a neo-colony of the United States by bombing, by invading, by attacking in any way. One has only to go into the countryside and listen to the peasants describe the lives they led before the revolution to understand why every bomb that is dropped only strengthens their determination to resist. </tt>
    <tt> I've spoken to many peasants who talked about the days when their parents had to sell themselves to landlords as virtually slaves, when there were very few schools and much illiteracy, inadequate medical care, when they were not masters of their own lives. </tt>
    <tt> But now, despite the bombs, despite the crimes being created--being committed against them by Richard Nixon, these people own their own land, build their own schools--the children learning, literacy--illiteracy is being wiped out, there is no more prostitution as there was during the time when this was a French colony. In other words, the people have taken power into their own hands, and they are controlling their own lives. </tt>
    <tt> And after 4,000 years of struggling against nature and foreign invaders--and the last 25 years, prior to the revolution, of struggling against French colonialism--I don't think that the people of Vietnam are about to compromise in any way, shape or form about the freedom and independence of their country, and I think Richard Nixon would do well to read Vietnamese history, particularly their poetry, and particularly the poetry written by Ho Chi Minh. </tt>

    <tt>[recording ends]</tt>
  5. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    I looked at some of the comments on her Facebook page...there are a lot of people in this county who are just ignorant and think utopia can happen if conservatives could just *coexist* with others. People in other parts of the world wake up everyday and think of new ways to kill Americans just because. There's a lot of deep thoughts in the name of Colt's Peacemaker. If you have an enemy causing turmoil...but, then kill them all, you have peace. What? [dunno]

    I've never really understood why people give any credence to actor/musician's opinions about political issues. How is their opinion any more relevant than the next person's? Sean Penn, Bono, Alec Baldwin (what a dad that guy is huh?), Streisand, Whoopi Goldberg, Dixie Chix??? It's not as if these douches had the political abilities of Churchill or James Madison--they just had opinions.
  6. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    Oh, and one thing I forgot to mention: my dad had quite a collection of albums back in the 70's and I would spend hours reading the covers. I don't recall which album it was, but one of Bonnie Raitt's had on the back cover: "Dedicated to the brave people of North Vietnam." I guess you can say any soldier fighting for his country is brave, but the activism against the U.S. govt. had no effect on the people in D.C., but had a huge impact on the morale of the people serving over there, my dad being one of them.

    I've never liked her since.
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  7. jungatheart

    jungatheart Beginner's Mind

    I was in the military 67-70 and I'm not fonda Jane.
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  8. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Likewise--'67-'76 and I remember her traitorous acts and comments. Really surprised how she has survived all these years. She was a major factor in the demise of troop morale and public disapproval. I remember the pics of her sitting on an anti aircraft gun in Hanoi.
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  9. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Nobody is fond of Jane!
  10. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Not even Ted Turner likes her any more....
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  11. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Jane fits into a very special and unique category where she is filed under I don't mind because she don't matter.
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