Ive been playing about again and this time I tried making fire using the hand drill method. I used rattan as the hearth and bamboo as the drill and this combo works really well together. I have to say it was hard work and left me sweating like a good en,I found it harder than the bamboo fire saw method thats for sure. Now using bamboo which is a grass and rattan which is a vine is all well and good if you live in the rain forest but not much use here in the UK so my next task when it comes to the hand drill is to find a suitable drill and hearth from woods found locally and give this a try with those,Im sure it will be much harder than using bamboo and rattan. Also I did this inside and would imagine that it will be much harder in the damp UK climate.