Heinlein Women

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by DKR, Feb 10, 2017.

  1. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe


    I've often talked and written about what I call "Heinlein Women". I spotted this on the web today.

    "The most dangerous people often don't look dangerous at all. That's what this man found out at some kind of dance party when he thought he could force a woman to dance with him against her will.

    A man who is being described as an "Indian Muslim" appeared to carelessly grab the woman, clearly expecting her to submit to his advances and go along with whatever he had planned."

    The linked video is funny enough to watch more than once.

    Bottom line - DO NOT mess with women, you will often get far more than bargained for.....

    Edit to a YT video source
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2017
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  2. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    She has some fight in her....very nice!!!!
  3. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Kicked his A$$, back to where he came from.... Good for her...
  4. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    And then the dummy went back for another serving. Well, based on my time in SEA, he was lucky to be able to try twice.
  5. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    Psycho women. Sometimes it's a good thing.[LMAO]
  6. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    In the Philippines that young woman might have had a butterfly knife and made a eunich out of that fool that thought himself a stud.
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  7. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    She has had some training, for sure. [winkthumb]
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  8. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu RIP 4/19/2018

    Um.....I'm not sure 'cause it's hard to see, but wasn't that the horse he rode in on hitting the ground, off to the right? :D
    Great job little lady!!!

    I had to watch it again! :D

    "Here, Achmed, hold my coat!" "I'm gonna give this little......" "Oh NO, she is hitting upon me from behind now!"
    "This is very not being fair!"

    POP 'im once for me, sweetie! :cool:
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  9. Gray Wolf

    Gray Wolf Monkey+++

    Go baby go!
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  10. Wild Trapper

    Wild Trapper Pirate Biker

    Never, not ever, hit an Asian women.

    Some of them could pass for redheads. :ROFLMAO:
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  11. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    Not uncommon at all for girls in Olongapo City to carry balisong knives...
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  12. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    LOL, y'all reminded me of an incident where a alcoholic Navy CPO beat his tiny Japanese wife. She then obeyed him, got him falling down stinking drunk, and half beat him to death with a kendo stick/wooden samuri practice sword. He recovered in the hospital, and as far as I know never laid a hand on her in anger again.
  13. BlueDuck

    BlueDuck Monkey+++

    Good to see. He picked the wrong girl this time. Maybe he will think twice, next time.
  14. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    Here is an extract of a book review from 2005 about some of RAH's books. Interesting view - to say the least..

    "The Heinlein at the center of these storms, however, was a far cry from the Heinlein whose work I loved in elementary school. I credit this Heinlein with making me a feminist, never mind that "feminist" didn't enter my vocabulary until at least junior high.

    At 8, when I first read "Starship Troopers," its controversial aspects went right over my head. I did, however, notice something remarkable in it -- something that moved and inspired me. Something that, given the values in my arch-Republican, Roman Catholic aerospace family, seemed as preposterous as time travel: Heinlein's portrayal of women. Unlike the female characters in other science fiction of the time, such as the stories of Arthur C. Clarke, Heinlein's women were not invisible or grossly subservient to men. Nor were they less technologically competent. The hero of "Starship Troopers" follows a woman he admires into the military. But because she is sharper than he, she gains admission to the prestigious pilot corps, and he winds up stuck in the infantry. (Ouch)

    "Have Spacesuit -- Will Travel" (1958), another of his young-adult novels, sealed my feminist conversion. It featured Peewee, an 11-year-old girl who was smarter and braver than Kip, its 18-year-old male central character. It also featured a creature called "The Mother Thing," a fuzzy, portable being of indeterminate gender that provided the cuddling and support associated with mothering. The Mother Thing blew me away. Heinlein advanced the thought that motherhood was a job, not a biological destiny, and men could nurture, too.

    Heinlein also created terrific women role models in his early short stories. They included G. B. McNye, a radio engineer who coeducates an all-male space station in "Delilah and the Space Rigger," and M. L. Martin, a world-famous scientist in "Let There Be Light." Often these women used their initials instead of their full names -- Gloria Brooks and Mary Lou for instance -- a practice that, on the eve of fourth grade, inspired me to abridge Mary Grace to M. G.

    When college-age women tell me they cannot imagine a world in which opportunities for women were so openly curtailed, I suggest they screen some cold-war-era classroom films, as I recently did. Among these films is the emblematic "Why Study Science?" (1955), in which a boy announces he plans to study science so he can "go to the moon," but his sister doesn't have to because her mission is to "hook some guy." "What's wrong with that?" his sister asks. The idea that you don't need science to prepare nutritious meals! their mother counters. Or to teach your toddler how the telephone works. Heinlein managed to ridicule such sexism without alienating his core audience of engineering-minded boys.

    In "Tunnel in the Sky" (1955), a young-adult novel, Heinlein describes a 10-day wilderness survival trip that goes awry, stranding a group of high school students on a hostile planet. Rod, the book's central character, believes that teaming with a girl will hurt him, since girls are flighty, unstable and mechanically inept. Instead, he partners with the eccentric boy who rescues him -- a boy with no facial hair who never sheds his body armor. The reader immediately grasps what Rod is too bigoted to notice: The "boy" who keeps him alive is a girl."
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  15. fmhuff

    fmhuff Monkey+++

    I have to admit that gave me a good laugh. Thanks
  16. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    Heinlin did create great female characters and great male characters. He was a very good writer.

    The guy should never have hit her. She had to have had some training because se immediately went to punching, Most ppl dont have that kind of reaction time, they go in to shock at the unexpected violence. Him slapping her was not an expected out come and her reaction was immediate.
  17. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    Sorry. Any man that hits a women deserves to get his ass kicked. Even sweeter when the woman provides the lesson.
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  18. Pax Mentis

    Pax Mentis Philosopher King |RIP 11-4-2017

    I am one who grew up on Heinlein from about 10 yrs old, then Asimov and then Niven...then the world :D

    Two things to add...firstly that H continued the trend of heroes that were female (with a purposeful distinction from heroines) on through his later works as well. Would the moon have been freed without Wyoming Knott or Michelle? Not to mention Manny's collective wives. Of course all the group of books that followed Stranger had their group of leading women...and cats.

    The other thing is that a lot of women I have known and respected (including my wife) have argued with M.L.that H apparently had no insight into the female psyche...his women were two dimensional and didn't have the depth of his male characters. I came to sort of agree, but I think they make for good food for thought anyway. Hell...it took me at least 20 years to get a good handle on one woman's depth.

    On the other side of the coin is a later writer of Sci-Fi that I liked a lot...Anne McCaffrey, with her female dominated groups and somewhat "flat" males. But then, she is female. It's all about perspective I guess.
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  19. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    It is damn hard to write about a female character and get folks to believe that character is female - not just a tomboy or a guy (Acts like/talks like/etc) that you've called a woman for the story's sake.

    I've done well enough on Octavia Stone (Tales of the Chernyi) or at least I'm not embarrassed. RAH admits that he used his wife Ginny as his model for many of his female characters - and she would be hard for many to believe, esp back in the day. As she is a polymath, I often wondered just how much she carried Robert.....
  20. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    Oddly I find C. J. Cherryh books entertaining... her The Faded Sun series by C.J. Cherryh

    and I enjoyed her... Chanur series by C.J. Cherryh

    as well... she's seems a reverse Heinlein then?

    But ya LOVED the book Starship Troopers... hated the movies...

    although his last book... was... well... Mark of the Beast IIRC... where was his head?
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