Here’s How Governments Legally Steal Babies

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by melbo, Aug 8, 2012.

  1. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    By Paul Short on 10/07/2012
    Ever wonder what gives a government agency the right to take children from their parents, even though the child hasn’t really been mistreated? What gives them the right to vaccinate or force-medicate kids without parental consent? Or what gives them to right to tell you how to raise your child or force them to go to state-run schools?
    Well, the real answer to those questions is – you do.

    But before we get into the nitty gritty, I’ll say this:

    The following is not legal or medical advice. It’s something I learned and decided to share.

    So now that that’s out of the way, lets get to the good stuff…

    So mum-to-be is in labour. The glorious moment is close at hand so she is rushed to the maternity ward at a hospital, the baby is born and in a day or two mom and her new bundle of joy is discharged from the hospital with a few forms to fill out and send in to apply for a birth certificate. It all seems fine and dandy on the surface, but what goes on in the legal processes beneath the surface is an entirely different story.

    In most countries where hospitals are state-run — or medical staff, midwives, medics, etc. are state-licensed — when a pregnant woman goes to them for help in giving birth to her baby, she falls under the states legal jurisdiction. She is entering into a contract, applying for, and submitting both herself and her unborn baby to their care, automatically becoming temporary wards of the state. Once the child is born and it is determined that both are healthy enough to go home, both mother and child are discharged with the mother being appointed by the state as the child’s legal guardian.
    So lets look up and/or link to the legal definitions of some of the words above and what those definitions really mean.

    When you apply for anything from the government, you automatically fall under their “legal jurisdiction” which simply means you’re bound by their interpertations and definitions of the words in their legislation, and you have given them the power to force you to comply or punish you for not complying – it’s called enforcement.

    When the mom-to-be walks into the hospital or calls a doctor, ambulance, midwife, etc. to assist in the birth, she is applying to them. To “apply” means “To submit oneself as a candidate for” or to beg. So she is submitting herself to them. And the word “submit” is derived from the Latin word submittō which means to “place under, or yield. In doing so, her and her unborn child become “wards” of the state, under their care and guardianship, and bound by their legal jurisdiction.

    A fit mother has a duty to care for her child until the child is old enough to take care of themselves. As a temporary ward of the state, it is presumed that the mother needing care no longer has the capacity for rights and duties, so since a child needs care until they are old enough to care for themsleves, the state takes over the rights and duties of the mother.

    When the state or state licensed care provider deems the mother and child to be healthy and able to leave, they are both discharged from care and the state appoints the mother as temporary guardian of their ward, the child. However, the state doesn’t give up their rights to the child like the mother did. At any time between when the mother submitted to the state and when the child turns 18 and becomes an adult, the state can order their appointed guardian, the mother, to do what they want (spelled out in acts, statutes, bylaws, conditions, etc.).

    Also, since they have ultimate rights to the child who is still their ward, they don’t need the permission of the guardian to care for the child how they see fit. And if the guardian that they appointed doesn’t do what they say, they can remove guardianship from the mother and appoint themselves or someone else – like someone at a foster home – as the legal guardian of the child.

    The above is quite complicated but the ghist of it is this – When you asked for and accepted help from the state, they presumed you thought you were unfit to care for yourself and gave up both your own rights and your rights to the child. Then they kept the rights to the child and appointed you the guardian of their rightful property.

    The state’s legal jurisdiction works on the basis of presumption and consent. They presume you know exactly what you’re getting into when you beg them for help, as well as all the nuances and implications involved.

    Is it legal for them to do this sort of thing? Yes, as long as they stay within the boundaries of their own definitions and interpertations of the language they’re governed by. What they are doing may or may not be lawful, though, and that’s a story for many more posts to come.

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