Here is a fun one to Watch: Keynes vs. Hayek

Discussion in 'Financial Cents' started by Clyde, Sep 23, 2011.

  1. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

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    In Fear the Boom and Bust, John Maynard Keynes and F. A. Hayek, two of the great economists of the 20th century, come back to life to attend an economics conference on the economic crisis. Before the conference begins, and at the insistence of Lord Keynes, they go out for a night on the town and sing about why there’s a “boom and bust” cycle in modern economies and good reason to fear it.

    We’ve been going back and forth for a century
    [Keynes] I want to steer markets,
    [Hayek] I want them set free
    There’s a boom and bust cycle and good reason to fear it
    [Hayek] Blame low interest rates.
    [Keynes] No… it’s the animal spirits
    [Keynes Sings:]

    John Maynard Keynes, wrote the book on modern macro
    The man you need when the economy’s off track, [whoa]
    Depression, recession now your question’s in session
    Have a seat and I’ll school you in one simple lesson

    BOOM, 1929 the big crash
    We didn’t bounce back—economy’s in the trash
    Persistent unemployment, the result of sticky wages
    Waiting for recovery? Seriously? That’s outrageous!

    I had a real plan any fool can understand
    The advice, real simple—boost aggregate demand!
    C, I, G, all together gets to Y
    Make sure the total’s growing, watch the economy fly

    We’ve been going back and forth for a century
    [Keynes] I want to steer markets,
    [Hayek] I want them set free
    There’s a boom and bust cycle and good reason to fear it
    [Hayek] Blame low interest rates.
    [Keynes] No… it’s the animal spirits

    You see it’s all about spending, hear the register cha-ching
    Circular flow, the dough is everything
    So if that flow is getting low, doesn’t matter the reason
    We need more government spending, now it’s stimulus season

    So forget about saving, get it straight out of your head
    Like I said, in the long run—we’re all dead
    Savings is destruction, that’s the paradox of thrift
    Don’t keep money in your pocket, or that growth will never lift…


    Business is driven by the animal spirits
    The bull and the bear, and there’s reason to fear its
    Effects on capital investment, income and growth
    That’s why the state should fill the gap with stimulus both…

    The monetary and the fiscal, they’re equally correct
    Public works, digging ditches, war has the same effect
    Even a broken window helps the glass man have some wealth
    The multiplier driving higher the economy’s health

    And if the Central Bank’s interest rate policy tanks
    A liquidity trap, that new money’s stuck in the banks!
    Deficits could be the cure, you been looking for
    Let the spending soar, now that you know the score

    My General Theory’s made quite an impression
    [a revolution] I transformed the econ profession
    You know me, modesty, still I’m taking a bow
    Say it loud, say it proud, we’re all Keynesians now

    We’ve been goin’ back n forth for a century
    [Keynes] I want to steer markets,
    [Hayek] I want them set free
    There’s a boom and bust cycle and good reason to fear it
    [Keynes] I made my case, Freddie H
    Listen up , Can you hear it?

    Hayek sings:

    I’ll begin in broad strokes, just like my friend Keynes
    His theory conceals the mechanics of change,
    That simple equation, too much aggregation
    Ignores human action and motivation

    And yet it continues as a justification
    For bailouts and payoffs by pols with machinations
    You provide them with cover to sell us a free lunch
    Then all that we’re left with is debt, and a bunch

    If you’re living high on that cheap credit hog
    Don’t look for cure from the hair of the dog
    Real savings come first if you want to invest
    The market coordinates time with interest

    Your focus on spending is pushing on thread
    In the long run, my friend, it’s your theory that’s dead
    So sorry there, buddy, if that sounds like invective
    Prepare to get schooled in my Austrian perspective

    We’ve been going back and forth for a century
    [Keynes] I want to steer markets,
    [Hayek] I want them set free
    There’s a boom and bust cycle and good reason to fear it
    [Hayek] Blame low interest rates.
    [Keynes] No… it’s the animal spirits

    The place you should study isn’t the bust
    It’s the boom that should make you feel leery, that’s the thrust
    Of my theory, the capital structure is key.
    Malinvestments wreck the economy

    The boom gets started with an expansion of credit
    The Fed sets rates low, are you starting to get it?
    That new money is confused for real loanable funds
    But it’s just inflation that’s driving the ones

    Who invest in new projects like housing construction
    The boom plants the seeds for its future destruction
    The savings aren’t real, consumption’s up too
    And the grasping for resources reveals there’s too few

    So the boom turns to bust as the interest rates rise
    With the costs of production, price signals were lies
    The boom was a binge that’s a matter of fact
    Now its devalued capital that makes up the slack.

    Whether it’s the late twenties or two thousand and five
    Booming bad investments, seems like they’d thrive
    You must save to invest, don’t use the printing press
    Or a bust will surely follow, an economy depressed

    Your so-called “stimulus” will make things even worse
    It’s just more of the same, more incentives perversed
    And that credit crunch ain’t a liquidity trap
    Just a broke banking system, I’m done, that’s a wrap.

    We’ve been goin’ back n forth for a century
    [Keynes] I want to steer markets,
    [Hayek] I want them set free
    There’s a boom and bust cycle and good reason to fear it
    [Hayek] Blame low interest rates.
    [Keynes] No it’s the animal spirits

    “The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.”

    John Maynard Keynes
    The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money

    “The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.”

    F A Hayek
    The Fatal Conceit


    Created by
    John Papola & Russ Roberts

    Produced & Directed by
    John Papola

    Billy Scafuri as John Maynard Keynes
    Adam Lustick as F. A. Hayek
    Billy and Adam

    Co-Produced by
    Mike Tome
    Lisa Versaci
    Aldey Sanchez

    Cinematography by
    John Papola
    Andrew Bell
    Josh Meyers

    Edited by
    Josh Meyers

    Line Producer
    Megan Milnes
    Brian Song

    Lisa Versaci
    Kristen Paladino
    Emily Derr

    Graphic Design
    Joanna Andreasson

    Assistant Director
    Randy Strauss

    Production Designer
    Josh Hughes

    Tanya Tamburin

    Hair and Makeup
    Sandra Alexandre

    Gaffers, Grip and Electric Supermen
    Fred Joslin
    Mike Fleming
    Doug Horton

    Production Assistants
    Doug Horton
    Mariko Phillips
    Stacy Chaet

    Video Sound Mix
    Jesse Ehredt

    - MUSIC -

    Lyrics by
    John Papola & Russ Roberts

    Performed by
    Billy Scafuri & Adam Lustick
    Billy and Adam

    Backup Vocals by
    Chloe Wepper

    Music Company
    BlackBoard 3

    Richard Royston Jacobs

    Jack Bradley

    Recording engineer
    Morgan Stoner

    Drew Lavyne @ Sterling Studios

    Recorded and mixed at
    Plush NYC

    - THE CAST -
    (in order of appearance)

    Receptionist………………Mathilde Dratwa
    John Maynard Keynes…………Billy Scafuri
    F A Hayek…………………….Adam Lustick
    Limo Driver……………………Mike Munger
    Keynes Fan #1………….Ashley Carpenter
    Keynes Fan #2…………..Nafessa Williams
    Keynes Fan………………..Mathilde Dratwa
    Female Singer………………..Chloe Wepper
    Ben Bernanke……………………Bob Malkin
    Timothy Geithner…………………Jon Laskin
    Party Extra……………….Christopher Chan
    Party Extra…………………….John Usavage
    Party Extra……………….Danny Boushebel
    Party Extra………………………….Carol Wei
    Party Extra………………………Louis Torres

    - Special Thanks -
    The Mercatus Center
    Off Hollywood Digital
    Jason O’Brien at Trinity Place Bar
    Terri Farran & the staff of The Millenium Hilton
    Pete Konzcal
    Handheld Films
    That Cat Camera
    Jeffrey Weiss
    Lisa Versaci

    Charging Bull© Arturo DiModica, 1998

    This film was made by The Productioneers, LLC
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  2. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    Part II:

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    “Fight of the Century” Lyrics

    Written by John Papola and Russ Roberts


    Here we are… peace out! great recession
    thanks to me, as you see, we’re not in a depression
    Recovery, destiny if you follow my lesson
    Lord Keynes, here I come, line up for the procession

    We brought out the shovels and we’re still in a ditch…
    And still digging. don’t you think that it’s time for a switch…
    From that hair of the dog. Friend, the party is over.
    The long run is here. It’s time to get sober!

    Are you kidding? my cure works perfectly fine…
    have a look, the great recession ended back in ’09.
    I deserve credit. Things would have been worse
    All the estimates prove it—I’ll quote chapter and verse

    Econometricians, they’re ever so pious
    Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?
    Their “Keynesian” models are tidy and neat
    But that top down approach is a fatal conceit

    Which way should we choose?
    more bottom up or more top down
    …the fight continues…
    Keynes and Hayek’s second round

    it’s time to weigh in…
    more from the top or from the ground
    …lets listen to the greats
    Keynes and Hayek throwing down

    We could have done better, had we only spent more
    Too bad that only happens when there’s a World War
    You can carp all you want about stats and regression
    Do you deny World War II cut short the Depression?

    Wow. One data point and you’re jumping for joy
    the Last time I checked, wars only destroy
    There was no multiplier, consumption just shrank
    As we used scarce resources for every new tank

    Pretty perverse to call that prosperity
    Rationed meat, Rationed butter… a life of austerity
    When that war spending ended your friends cried disaster
    yet the economy thrived and grew faster

    You too only see what you want to see
    The spending on war clearly goosed GDP
    Unemployment was over, almost down to zero
    That’s why I’m the master, that’s why I’m the hero

    Creating employment’s a straightforward craft
    When the nation’s at war, and there’s a draft
    If every worker was staffed in the army and fleet
    We’d have full employment and nothing to eat


    jobs are a means, not the ends in themselves
    people work to live better, to put food on the shelves
    real growth means production of what people demand
    That’s entrepreneurship not your central plan

    My solution is simple and easy to handle..
    its spending that matters, why’s that such a scandal?
    The money sloshes through the pipes and the sluices
    revitalizing the economy’s juices

    it’s just like an engine that’s stalled and gone dark
    To bring it to life, we need a quick spark
    Spending’s the life blood that gets the flow going
    Where it goes doesn’t matter, just get spending flowing

    You see slack in some sectors as a “general glut”
    But some sectors are healthy, only some in a rut
    So spending’s not free – that’s the heart of the matter
    too much is wasted as cronies get fatter.

    The economy’s not a car, there’s no engine to stall
    no expert can fix it, there’s no “it” at all.
    The economy’s us, we don’t need a mechanic
    Put away the wrenches, the economy’s organic


    so what would you do to help those unemployed?
    this is the question you seem to avoid
    when we’re in a mess, would you just have us wait?
    Doing nothing until markets equilibrate?

    I don’t want to do nothing, there’s plenty to do
    The question I ponder is who plans for whom?
    Do I plan for myself or leave it to you?
    I want plans by the many, not by the few.

    Let’s not repeat what created our troubles
    I want real growth not a series of bubbles
    Stop bailing out loser, let prices work
    If we don’t try to steer them they won’t go berserk

    Come on, Are you kidding? Don’t Wall Street’s gyrations
    Challenge your world view of self-regulation?
    Even you must admit that the lesson we’ve learned
    Is more oversight’s needed or else we’ll get burned

    Oversight? The government’s long been in bed
    With those Wall Street execs and the firms that they’ve bled
    Capitalism’s about profit and loss
    you bail out the losers there’s no end to the cost

    the lesson I’ve learned? It’s how little we know,
    the world is complex, not some circular flow
    the economy’s not a class you can master in college
    to think otherwise is the pretense of knowledge


    You get on your high horse and you’re off to the races
    I look at the world on a case by case basis
    When people are suffering I roll up my sleeves
    And do what I can to cure our disease

    The future’s uncertain, our outlooks are frail
    Thats why free markets are so prone to fail
    In a volatile world we need more discretion
    So state intervention can counter depression

    People aren’t chessmen you move on a board
    at your whim–their dreams and desires ignored
    With political incentives, discretion’s a joke
    Those dials you’re twisting… just mirrors and smoke

    We need stable rules and real market prices
    so prosperity emerges and cuts short the crisis
    give us a chance so we can discover
    the most valuable ways to serve one another

    Which way should we choose?
    more bottom up or more top down
    the fight continues…
    Keynes and Hayek’s second round

    it’s time to weigh in…
    more from the top or from the ground
    …lets listen to the greats
    Keynes and Hayek throwing down
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  3. Sapper John

    Sapper John Analog Monkey in a Digital World

    Why did you do that Clyde?

    Why did you do that Clyde, now I'll never get that song out of my head...[aiw]
  4. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    Well, its education for the children
  5. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    Awesome find. Shared it around with some friends. Great for a laugh, but contains GREAT basic information.
  6. pmbug

    pmbug Golden Cockroach

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