Here we go again: Vaccines

Looking at all those "necessary" "vaccines", I really wonder how did we manage to survive as species for thousands of years without them...My grandfather was 13th child in the family...2 died at birth. He died at 94...never had a vaccine or drugs. Grandmother died at 89...same thing.

 

We've managed to dilute a significant part of natural selection, eh?

 

Yeah...like 99%...

 

Wow Ghrit, you ARE old!

 

I hear this argument a lot. The facts just don't support it. Take for instance the infant mortality rate:

Google - public data

The infant mortality rate it typically the rate used to analyze health care. It has improved with the advent of child vaccination campaigns. Yeah, there are those old ones that made it, but some of their siblings didn't. The fact that your father had two that didn't make it and my father had a 100% survival rate with us shows this trend.

The infant mortality rate of old is also directly tied to the number of children people had. Back then, children were also needed to help with farm work etc. My grandmother had 6 children. On the other side, my grandmother had 7 children. All were born in the time frame of childhood vaccinations- all survived.

 

Actually, it was my grandfather...2 of his siblings didn't make it...it was in 1910...but 11 of them survived...in 1910!
So, basically, first vaccines contributed to Earth overpopulation, and then they are using them to de-populate...these guys really can't make up their minds...

 

Interesting way of looking at it. I guess for every action, there is an equal reaction?

Question at the risk of sounding insensitive- what about the 2 that didn't? If the choice was given to any human of a vaccine that will save a child's life or letting your child die (hey, it's natural selection anyway), I would estimate 99% would take the vaccine. While 2 of 13 isn't bad odds, it is to the parents. That is a infant mortality rate of 15% in your family. The infant mortality rate in England for example was around 12% in 1910. Today's infant mortality rate is 6.7% in the USA. Most parents are happier with those odds.

So, with natural selection taking it's course, the English should out-survive your family and the USA will out-survive 1910-England. We win!!




(JK)

 

LOL...and then SHTF happens, and the planet blows up...Anything is possible!...

 

Is that additive in nature? IOW, will a kid entering 1st grade need all of the first grade stuff if he had the kindergarten stuff? Or is that to say a kid matriculating into 1st grade from out of state will need only what's on the first grade schedule etc.?

BTW, many states are joining in with that phase-in schedule. So, just when you thought your kid was all caught up - nope. They need more shots.
And I cannot possibly see how that is public safety issue. In the very least, it is driven by profit motive. I hate to think what the worst might be.

This point has been made here before - why do you care if my kid is not vaccinated? If you believe in these things, get your kid shot up and leave me alone.

Regardless of your opinions of vaccinations, EVERYONE should be livid about the privacy / individual freedom aspect of this issue.

 

Huh...you have vaccines for Varicella and Rubeolla? And for hepatitis A and B? Our doctors do not give vaccines for Varicella and Rubeolla. We have sort of tradition here...If a child in school get one of those, we keep our kids in schools so they can get infected. Especially if it's a girl. We take our girls to friends that have them so they get it and become immune. Both my kids got both V and R. As for Hep A and B, we teach them to wash hands regularly, and if they eat any fruit and stuff, to wash it well in running water (tap)...And since B and C are fluid-transmitted, I don't see the point of vaccination...My kids today got the same vaccines I got years ago...

 

Nnnnooo, Sir....Ssssoory, Sir...Wwwwonnt hhappen again, Sir...

 

This is the issue that wrestle with here.

Holy Crap Tracy!!
I hope other states aren't following Oregon's example. That schedule look s similar to mine for being dropped into a 3rd world foreign hole. I can't see that much need.

 

I had to watch this like 3 times, just to make sure I didn't misunderstood! It looks like I didn't...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064&feature=player_embedded#!

 

How about this for irony...

I'd say *most* who posted here on vaccines are anti-vaccine. How many medical threads for SHTF meds have we seen? For example, those that stock up on meds (a lot of times meds that are designed for animals) to cure illness that they may possibly be able to be vaccinated from. Just something to think about. If you are afraid of vaccines, why would you self-dose an antibiotic made for a cow? Or self medicate with a drug from an evil pharmaceutical company? The same principles apply to meds as to vaccines.

Example thread:
http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/medicine/2953-survival-antibiotics-written-doc.html#post129266

I'm not against self medication in SHTF. I actually think it's a good idea. I enjoyed the above thread. Meds, just like vaccines, can be another line of protection for you and your family. Obviously, educated decisions must be formed for each and everyone will have their own opinion. No one is right or wrong in this one.

 

Irony depends on the point of view...

For example: I'd say that is ironic that the more "medicine" and "science" advances, the sicker we are, shorter we live and wealthier doctors and pharma are...

Also is ironic that after all the bull medical and pharma companies have been selling us for years, we still tend to believe in their bull, eat their crap for curing "diseases" that our ancestors cured with herbs and keep committing a global suicide...

It's also ironic that for example, US has laws that allow patenting living beings, so if you plant some of "Monsanto" crap, you are not allowed to use the seeds for the next planting season, but you have to buy new seeds to plant...

It's ironic that the most powerful country in the world is in the worst shape of all other "first world" countries...

It's ironic that US situation is getting worse rapidly only two years before US people are free from "Federal Reserve" banksters...

It's ironic that people that value their freedom as much as you allow a bunch of thugs to enslave you like this...

It's ironic that most of religious people can't see that they traded their true God with filthy green paper...
It's ironic that we, intelligent and most advanced humans ever, are here learning other, ancient ways to light fire, trap and survive...

It's ironic that in my country people that wanted separation from Yugoslavia and thought that they would live like in "Dynasty", now cry like babies for loosing YU...

It's ironic that our government promised us economic growth and jobs and prosperity, bud is screwing us daily with new bull**** laws and taxes...

And it's ironic that we destroyed the planet we live on, exterminated thousands of animal and plant species, and we still exist!...

Now, excuse me while I go and get completely drunk and stoned...