Homeland Security Prepared to Enter Gun Control Debate Claiming It’s a Matter of National Security

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by ColtCarbine, Jun 16, 2016.

  1. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine The Plumber Founding Member

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  2. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine The Plumber Founding Member

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  3. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    This is exactly what the terrorists want.
  4. Altoidfishfins

    Altoidfishfins Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    Precisely - if this is true, the terrorists will have won a significant victory, handed to them by 0bama's leftist administration.

    Instead of just night club attendees being disarmed, they will now have a whole country unable to defend itself from their cowardly attacks.

    When do the DHS firearms confiscation vans begin to make their rounds?
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  5. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    Seig Heil anyone? Disarmed worked real well in Germany etc. Interesting, the courts say the police do not have to protect you, the government say that it will protect you if you give up your weapons, and the criminals etc aren't giving up theirs. I hope they don"t put "The government lied" on my tombstone. It would really p*** me off.
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  6. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    As Drudge said: "You go first, Brah".
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  7. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Once it is realized that Jeh Johnson is making a power grab that exceeds even zero's reach, you'll see a LOT of resistance to that move. Exerting a claim of jurisdiction over another department's baliwick will sure as hell meet head on with a different, equally motivated head of a department (think EPA and BLM squabbling over a dry alkali creek bed in the high desert.) It is to laugh, except zero might support his efforts to increase DHS authority. That would be an even larger mess than obabblecare.
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  8. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    The Founding Fathers on the Second Amendment

    Quotes on the Second Amendment
    The Founding Fathers on the Second Amendment
    "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
    George Mason
    Co-author of the Second Amendment
    during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
    "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …"
    Richard Henry Lee
    writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.
    "The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them."
    Zachariah Johnson
    Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."
    "… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
    Philadelphia Federal Gazette
    June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2
    Article on the Bill of Rights
    "And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …"
    Samuel Adams
    quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"
    The Founding Fathers on Arms
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
    George Washington
    First President of the United States
    "The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
    Thomas Paine
    "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
    Richard Henry Lee
    American Statesman, 1788
    "The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
    Patrick Henry
    American Patriot
    "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
    Patrick Henry
    American Patriot
    "Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
    Thomas Jefferson
    Third President of the United States
    "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … "
    Thomas Jefferson
    letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.
    "The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
    Alexander Hamilton
    The Federalist Papers at 184-8
    The Founding Fathers on Maintaining Freedom
    "The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution."
    Thomas Jefferson
    Third President of the United States
    "There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. "
    Noah Webster
    American Lexicographer
    "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion."
    Edmund Burke
    British Statesman, 1784
    "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
    Thomas Jefferson
    to James Madison
    "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    Ben Franklin
    American Statesman
    Later Quotes on Gun Control
    "The ruling class doesn't care about public safety. Having made it very difficult for States and localities to police themselves, having left ordinary citizens with no choice but to protect themselves as best they can, they now try to take our guns away. In fact they blame us and our guns for crime. This is so wrong that it cannot be an honest mistake."
    Malcolm Wallop
    former U.S. Sen. (R-WY)
    "An armed man is a citizen. A disarmed man is a subject."
    Seen on a bumper sticker
    Pro Gun Control
    "Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
    Sara Brady
    Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
    The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.
    "If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things."
    "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
    Adolph Hitler
    Chancellor, Germany, 1933
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  9. GOG

    GOG Free American Monkey Site Supporter

    I'm done talking about it. I will not waste any more breath defending my rights with those determined to take them.
  10. Tempstar

    Tempstar Old and crochety Site Supporter+

    I kinda hoped I would be long gone before this started. Damn.
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  11. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." -- Thomas Paine
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  12. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

  13. Salted Weapon

    Salted Weapon Monkey+++

    Anyone remember the big, massive ammo buy ups a few years ago, now we know why.
    There's yer sign it was all a big plan tin foil hat or not how long does it take people to smell the freaking coffee.
    This took awhile , and yes I am one whom thinks some of these shooting are planned by whoms exactly well thats hard to tell. Stay tuned.
  14. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Why did they buy the ammo?
    I don't recall why.
  15. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    They said it was for training. I called BS at first...what dipstick would pay the cost of premium ammo for training? * But the more I thought about it I started remembering $5k hammers and $10k toilet seats and remembered, if there is a way to waste our tax dollars, the feds will find it.

    *Sure, I've used some of my premium factory rounds at the range...but only for experimentation and bench-marking. Once I decide a round is suitable, I set about trying to match its characteristics in my reloads...which are a lot cheaper to train with.
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