House passes concealed weapons permit bill

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by GrandpaDave, Nov 21, 2011.

  1. Pax Mentis

    Pax Mentis Philosopher King |RIP 11-4-2017

    Actually, simplistic fits better than simple.

    Very liberal of you.

    I assume, then, that you agree that the right to free speech also makes any way or anywhere you wish to say something, and whatever you must do to "facilitate" your speech OK also.

    I really love the liberal propensity for extrapolating rights to truly silly degrees in order to justify everything they want...and so-called "conservatives" who want to do the same and then claim adherence to constitutional principles.
  2. GrandpaDave

    GrandpaDave Monkey++

    Granted I would have preferred to see an Unrestricted CCW pass the house...
    but we take those small victories where we can
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  3. Opinionated

    Opinionated Monkey+

    Wow. That is the first time I've been called that dirty name. Might you be confusing that with "Libertarian"? They are different ya know.

    As for the rest of that . .

    Yes. One can say whatever one want to say whenever they want to say it. But they should not whine if they get punched in the mouth for it.

    Think this: "I will fight, and die if necessary, for your right to burn that flag. But if you do it in front of me I will kick your ass."

    The United States Constitution is not - in the least - ambiguous about citizens right's in regard to arms. Neither is my opinion in regards to the citizen's rights under that Constitution. Further: Point a loaded gun at me, or mine, or any innocent in my presence, you better shoot me first. And you d a m n e d well better do it quickly. If you think that philosophy is "silly", well, you have my heartfelt sympathy. [respect]
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  4. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    This is an ends vs means situation.
    While I would enjoy the end result of being free to carry anywhere, I abhor the fact that if passed, the Feds will be forcing the states to accept my carry.

    Since nothing political happens by accident, this smells a bit like a trap.
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  5. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Golden opportunity for ratcheting up or down as the wind blows.
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  6. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    Do any of us really want to trust the current Chicago Gangsters in DC with OUR right to carry a gun? [stirpot]
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  7. STANGF150

    STANGF150 Knowledge Seeker

    Odds are if Federal Carry was passed, we'd ALL be Held to California or D.C Standards!!!
  8. Alpha Dog

    Alpha Dog survival of the breed

    I know a few year ago and Im not sure where I seen it but there was talk of forming a Federal permit. You would have to first obtain your state permit then apply for a Federal permit and jump through some hoops and spend some money. The down fall I think just like someone had stated earlier was the Feds would require training. Being an LEO I can say the Feds are always coming up with new ideas to waste our money to keep officers trained. They do not understand if something works and its not broke leave the damn thing alone don't try to fix it. Then my next down fall with problem I have is I want the Goverment to know as little as possible about me and my firearms. I woulld almost bet that they would try and use it to track US citizens weapons all they would have to do is make it a requirment inorder to hold a permit all guns in your home has to be registered in your name and if found with an unregistered firearm you would lose your permit and be fined. Plus you would only be able to carry approved weapons that you have on file with them. Which some say IM PARANOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![tinfoil101]
  9. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Exactly. The Federal permit would not be a 'Shall issue' like the language our states use.
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  10. usmcvet

    usmcvet Monkey+

    This is a step in the right direction.;)
  11. shotgunner

    shotgunner Monkey+

    Here is a link to the actual text of the bill.

    I was hoping that this would be a great backdoor to carrying concealed in a state in which it is nigh on impossible to obtain a CCW (think Kalifornia). Simply get your Utah permit and carry in Kali, but that is only for non-Kalifornians. If this passes and BHO signs it (not likely in my book) as a Kalifornia resident I am still required to have a local CCW.
  12. falmike

    falmike Monkey+

    I believe that the individual states should work this out themselves.

    This is just another means of FedGov telling States what to do and further reinforcing a bad trend.
  13. craneje

    craneje Monkey+

    There is one other aspect to consider. In Georgia, as in several other states, the CCP is issued by the court. What about the "full faith and credit" that the states are to give to the "public acts, records, and court proceedings of the other states"?
  14. Charliefox

    Charliefox Monkey+

    You're right, they have been infringed - and we've allowed that to occur. It is now what it is. If you carry a concealed weapon in a state that you do not have a permit/license/permission to do so you will be arrested and most likely convicted. Then you won't have to worry about it because now you're a felon and can't own guns anyway. Anyone want to take up the moral charge here and test this theory? I don't, and I won't see a lot of other hands going up I'm sure.

    We need to reclaim the rights we have had but allowed the government to take away, but it needs to be done legally or you'll get locked up and have NO voice. I don't want the Feds in the CCW business; its a 10th Amendment issue under the 2nd Amendment.

    I'm trying not to be political here, but I can't stand to see the same stupid rhetoric bandied about - "The 2nd Amendment is my permit!" will put you in prison. we don't get to disregard the laws we don't like, we get to change them.
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