How artificial intelligence will reduce population starting now

Discussion in 'Tin Foil Hat Lounge' started by oil pan 4, Mar 9, 2023.


  1. Polecat

    Polecat Monkey

    My background is in computer science. When AI started getting big, I bought a bunch of equipment to experiment and learn all about it, figuring it was going to be the next big thing.

    After learning more about it (I don't claim to be some kind of expert, but I have run and trained local models on specialized hardware), I become profoundly anti-AI.

    Degeneracy aside (that's a cultural issue IMO, and something that can be solved by separating ourselves and our families from the mainstream culture, homeschooling, etc), I'm more worried about the propaganda possibilities.

    See, actually training the base models requires a huge amount of computing power and energy. About the best we can really do on an individual / independent budget is train LORAs (think of these as extra guidance for the AI that still runs on top of the base model). And that still requires specialized hardware. It's not something you do on a consumer PC or your phone.

    So that means that the only entities who are going to be training the base models are the ones with effectively limitless resources. That is, governments and mega-corps (in my mind, there isn't really any difference between the two, and the government is just the biggest corp and has a monopoly on violence, but that's a different rant lol).

    This means two things:

    1. All of the base models will always have the biases trained into them by whatever corpo or government makes them. Regardless of how hard you try to train a LORA on top of them to change their behavior, they will always have a built-in tendency to follow those deep biases. The result being that their output will always be subtle pro-corpo or pro-government propaganda that normalizes whatever ideology those entities are trying to push on their subjects (us), through the materials chosen to train the base model on.

    (I am getting an error trying to post the last paragraph of this post for some reason. Weird. Going to try to put it in a followup post.)
     
    Last edited: May 28, 2025 at 17:49
  2. Polecat

    Polecat Monkey

    2. With all the data harvesting and profiling that they get from our internet usage, it will be very easy for these entities to use AI to generate customized propaganda to insert in our media feeds. They'll use AI to both keep us all compliant with individually customized propaganda and to easily predict who might cause trouble based on a profile generated from our online footprint.

    I am firmly convinced that AI is going to lead us into a dystopia that is at least an order of magnitude more Orwellian than the one we already live in. And I'm not sure there's anything anyone can do about it. :(

    At the risk of maybe sounding like a kook, sometimes I think that AI might be the "image given breath" by the second beast in Revelation....
     
    Last edited: May 28, 2025 at 17:45
  3. Polecat

    Polecat Monkey

    (Note to the site admins: For some reason the last post kept giving me a "forbidden" error, until I changed "insert into our media feeds" to "insert in our media feeds". Very very strange.)
     
  4. CraftyMofo

    CraftyMofo Monkey+++

    You didn't have a quote in front of it, did you?
     
  5. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Wait until we have an AI generated Presidential Candidate ... or heaven forbid an AI president.
    Yeah, we are all going to have an AI imposter that looks like us and sounds like us in the mind of the machine.
    It's coming .. and it's not as far aways as you think.
     
  6. Polecat

    Polecat Monkey

    Nope! You think the SQL sanitizer nuked it, eh? I bet you're right!
     
    CraftyMofo likes this.
  7. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    "GET THE FREE UPSIDE APP NOW AND SAVE ON GAS, THAT'S RIGHT -WE GIVE YOU MONEY JUST FOR USING UPSIDE, SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?"
    The part most people don't understand is they are the product and these apps are meant to track, trace, and market your data. You get an app for "free" gas and you end up linking your bank account. Now they have all your purchase history, all your contacts, and your whereabouts.
    Another aspect to this is the fact that we've been fighting for net neutrality for years, but the collective keeps tightening the noose. Since ELon purchased Twitter, it bought us some time, but this time isn't endless. The powers that be are in fact pushing even harder to control everything online, all data and everything you see will be licensed and taxed in some way. They really pushed the narrative about social media being detrimental to the health of teens, but even more than that, they tried very hard to make every post they deemed offensive a crime.

    None of this would be remotely possible if people weren't so damn hooked to their PHONES. They really need to put them down, buy a flip phone, stop using apps, stop using the internet on phones, go buy a PC and learn how to code or hack or just at the very least keep your data and personal information private. You know, some of these AI's cannot even be accessed with a PC, you have to use a mobile device. THINK ABOUT IT.
     
    Polecat likes this.
  8. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Scars caused by the injury of experience.
     
  9. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Comrades say "only free cheese is in mouse trap".
     
  10. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Uncle Ted was right. He just went about it completely the wrong way.
     
    gii shi kan dug and Polecat like this.
  11. Polecat

    Polecat Monkey

    Yeah, the crazier the world gets, the less crazy he seems. :(
     
  12. Did he?
     
  13. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Doing what he did people just wrote him off ass a crazy person.
    About all he could have done was written a book and gone off to join an Amish community somewhere, eventually gone on Joe Rogan or something like that.
    But a normal course of action is probably out of the question when you're still all fucked up from mkUltra experiments that happened decades ago.
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2025 at 23:06
    gii shi kan dug likes this.
  1. Brokor
  2. OldDude49
  3. enloopious
  4. Seacowboys
  5. Big Ron
  6. Asia-Off-Grid
  7. CATO
survivalmonkey SSL seal        survivalmonkey.com warrant canary
17282WuJHksJ9798f34razfKbPATqTq9E7