How the govt. can steal your guns

Discussion in 'Bill of Rights' started by CATO, Nov 17, 2014.

  1. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    Stealing: coercively or covertly taking my stuff against my will or without paying a fair price.

    Civil forfeiture . . . an anathema to everything this county was founded upon.

    Here's just another example of how govt. makes laws to legally steal your stuff.

    Report: Cops to collect guns after permit owners die |

    Report: Cops to collect guns after permit owners die


    An old, rarely used New York state law is finding new enforcement in Buffalo and it means that mourning families may have to turn in handguns within weeks of the death of a loved one.

    The law, according to Fox News, says once a gun permit holder dies, executors have 15 days to turn the guns in to authorities, or dispose of them.

    "At times, they lay out there and the family is not aware of them, and they end up just out on the street," Buffalo, New York Police Commissioner Daniel Derrenda told WGRZ. Derrenda admitted his department would be sending officers to collect pistols from executors of deceased permit holders' estates, so "they [the guns] don't end up in the wrong hands."

    New York State Rifle & Pistol Association President Tom King commented, “They're quick to say they're going to take the guns."

    However, King points out “They don't tell you the law doesn't apply to long guns or that these families can sell [their loved one's] pistol or apply to keep it."

    Fox News reports Buffalo cops will find the weapons by matching death records with gun permits.

    Attorney Dominic Saraceno worries that many families may not understand their rights.

    "If a police officer came to my door without a warrant signed by a judge, I'm not giving them anything,” he began. “Most people don't know that and get intimidated."

    More here.
  2. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Another reason to never register a weapon, if you don't have to.
  3. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    What the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association should be doing, is to get an FFL in their .ORG, and offer to transfer any such Weapon, to that FFL for SafeKeeping, until the Family can deal with ownership in a legal way, under the State Statutes. Simple and easy to do, rather than let the BUFFALO Cops take possession.
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  4. tedrow42

    tedrow42 Monkey+

    Not sure where those guns are sir. Havnt seen or heard about them in years
  5. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    Related . . . .

    D.C. police plan for future seizure proceeds years in advance in city budget documents - The Washington Post

    D.C. Police’s Asset Forfeitures Are Very Lucrative and Very Petty - Hit & Run :

    D.C. Police’s Asset Forfeitures Are Very Lucrative and Very Petty
    Scott Shackford|Nov. 17, 2014 11:05 am

    [​IMG]Credit: Joe in DC / photo on flickr

    The Washington Post
    ’s original three-part, in-depth look at the use and abuse of police civil asset forfeiture seems to have transformed into an open-ended, ongoing series. Over the weekend they posted a sixth installment exploring grabby police departments taking their citizens’ cash and belongings.

    This time they kept it local, noticing that Washington, D.C.’s, police are actually attempting to plan in its budget for asset forfeiture proceeds in advance. This is considered a no-no for any law enforcement agency participating in the Department of Justice’s Equitable Sharing Program, the program where the feds and local enforcement agencies team up, and the local police get to keep 80 percent of whatever’s seized. This planning came to light to the Post last week because members of D.C.’s Council are attempting to overhaul the city’s asset forfeiture guidelines to increase the threshold of proof and requiring all asset seizures—including the ones that come from the DOJ program—to be placed in D.C.’s general fund, rather than the police’s budget, thus seriously reducing the police’s incentives for snatching whatever they can.

    And just look at what they’ve snatched:

    Since 2009, D.C. officers have made more than 12,000 seizures under city and federal laws, according to records and data obtained from the city by The Washington Post through the District’s open records law. Half of the more than $5.5 million in cash seizures were for $141 or less, with more than a thousand for less than $20. D.C. police have seized more than 1,000 cars, some for minor offenses allegedly committed by the children or friends of the vehicle owners, documents show.

    They’re literally just taking the money out people’s wallets at this point. And the authorities cash in even more whenever somebody fights back:

    One case cited by the Public Defender Service involves Sharlene Powell, who had worked for three decades as a Postal Service employee. She loaned her car to her son, who was stopped and arrested on a misdemeanor drug offense. Prosecutors dropped the charges, but District police kept the car. To get her car back, Powell had to pay a $1,772 “penal sum” bond to challenge the seizure, the Public Defender Service said in a statement last year to the judiciary committee.

    Read more here. The city is in a legal fight with the Public Defender Service to try to get rid or reduce those massive bonds. The city could lose $670,000 annually from the DOJ Equitable Sharing Program if it can no longer participate. The program’s guidelines require that law enforcement agencies keep the money, not put it into the general fund.

    Below, Reason TV interviews economist Bart Wilson about the twisted incentives induced when law enforcement officers are permitted to keep money and assets they grab when fighting crime:

  6. Harbin

    Harbin Monkey+

    I don't want to take this off topic, but given my experience with the Buffalo, NY police I'd say it's par for the course. It may just be really bad timing, but I had to run there for work, so I took a short cut through Canada (quicker from where I am in Michigan). Got off the bridge around 11:15pm, missed a turn for my hotel and had to circle the block ONCE. It's all one way streets, so I went around and was 20 feet from pulling into parking garage when the lights came on. Two officers get out, one stays in my blind spot on passenger's side with hand on pistol- other comes to drivers side staying back with hand on pistol as well. Guy by my door is screaming for my license and then asking about weapons in the vehicle. Ended with no ticket, and when i asked what I did he says "you should know- you were the driver, unless you are under the influence of something". Finally he said I was suspicious because I circled the block.

    All I can guess is when they ran my plate, my CCW permit showed up but I can't prove this- I have no idea what comes up when an officer runs your plate. Told my boss I'd be hard pressed to help cover that district again, I'd prefer to never go back.

    (may have shared this one here before, apologies in advance if I did)

    I'm by no means a cop basher, I have 3 LEOs in my extended family and a buddy up the road that's with the sheriff's dept.
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