How to get hard to get medicines?

Discussion in 'Survival Medicine' started by fortunateson, Jun 1, 2010.

  1. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    There are a few things I think everyone should have in storage that I'm having a hard time getting.

    Lidocaine - for local nerve blocks in case someone needs to be stitched up or bullets removed, etc.

    Epinephrine - for allergic reactions - used to be non-prescription through a veterinary supply house.

    Any ideas on where to get these?

    Some other things I've found if it helps anyone:

    Antibiotics - veterinary supply house. Look for "fish medicine". Injectables and powders are also available.

    Opioid pain killers - save them up from surgeries, coughs, torn ligaments, etc.

    syringes, sutures, clamps, scalpels - vet supply house again.

    Many generic medications are available from overseas pharmacies - just starting to experiment with these - will post the results.
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  2. XR750

    XR750 Monkey+

    Thanks fortunateson
    Keep posting I'm intrested.
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  3. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Lidocaine: Buy a small bottle of clove oil and rub some on your gums. It will burn for 15 - 20 seconds and then begin to numb like novacaine, or another 'caine. We used it mixed with some almond oil 4:1 (Almond to Clove) when my daughter was teething.

    May not be as good as the real thing but in a pinch, it would be better than nothing.

    Have any dentist friends?

    On the epinephrine, I wonder if you could talk to a Doc about having a few Epipens at your remote summer cottage in case of a bee sting? I can't imagine them saying no.
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  4. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Most dentist just keep the lidocaine in the second drawer; help yourself.
  5. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Makes sense about the epipen. Used to be able to get veterinary epi for about $4/ vial.
    The lidocaine I speak of is the injectable type.

    Seacowboys: I've seen it in the second draw whilst waiting there all alone, and I have been tempted!
  6. Old Sarge

    Old Sarge Old Sarge

    Unless I am badly mistaken, Epipens are available without prescriptions. Over the counter, I think.
  7. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    I'll check but I think the reason they made them RX for veterinary use is because athletes were using them for performance enhancement.
  8. 009.5

    009.5 Monkey+

    One VERY important note with Epipens- make sure you check the expiry RELIGIOUSLY. Using an out of date Epi can KILL.
  9. Avengeance

    Avengeance Monkey+

    There are natural solutions to medicine just as for food. Where would be the best place to talk about growing herbs for medicinal use? Wife and I have been working hard on the garden, and have it just about where we want it. Now it's time to start setting aside plots for various herbs, especially perinneals.
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  10. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    There is a subforum under "Preparedness" on medicine. Might be a good place to start.
  11. sweetshrub

    sweetshrub Monkey+

    Fortunateson, about the lidocaine: do you have any friends who work for surgeons, in operating rooms, or in certain kinds of doctor's offices? I got some from a friend who works for a plastic surgeon. It comes in little vials with break off tops (ampules). Each ampule has an expiration date. Medical offices aren't allowed to keep expired medicine and often they will give you something if the expiration date is coming up soon.
  12. RangerRick

    RangerRick RangerRick-North Idaho Oath Keeper

    I was told as long as the fluid content is clear it will be OK.
    I have used an Epi pen that was 8 years old due to an emergency and it worked just fine with no issues.
    You need to be careful, but you can take an Epi pen apart and there will be two more loads you can give manually.
  13. pearlselby

    pearlselby Monkey++

    I wish. You have to have a prescription. They have doubled in price.
  14. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    AND they are restricted by time. They do expire and you can get a prescription a month or so before it runs out. A buddy of mine is deathly allergic to bees. It would make sense to have one in each car, one or two at the house, and one to go hunting with .me, but NO (that would make too much sense) no, he has to keep the same one with him, where ever he goes.
  15. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Your buddy needs to have a better relationship with his MD..... This used to be an issue for AlaskaChichk & I in the past, but we had a frank chat with our Doc, and we got all the Emergency Meds, that we needed. When the nearest EMS is hours away, if they dispatched AT Notification, you better have the good stuff, On Hand, or you are out of luck, before they even get the rotors Turning...
  16. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    That's right, because you have to rely on yourself for at least a few hours, you get a pass. We don't, because emergency help IS available within minutes (in theory). The best he can do, is renew as early as possible, each time, and this gets him two at a time. It is controlled, because it can be used for some type of drug use.we have tried. (He aught to be able to keep one in his hunting pack full time)
  17. jefferson

    jefferson Monkey

    Thanks for your post, dude. Yes, lots of generic medications are available from overseas pharmacies. Recently One of my friend bought medicine from online pharmacy allmedscare store at genuine price. But seeking doctor advice before going to use any generic medicine is good option for our body health. This is my personal suggestion.
  18. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Usually the only differences between proprietary and generic medications are the name, price, and packaging...the active constituents are usually the same. You are correct, consulting a qualified physician is a necessity....some drugs combinations are harmful, and getting the dosage right is essential. Some drugs have harmful effects in combination with some conditions. Dr Google may be helpful in guiding a patient in framing what questions to ask their general practitioner, but is not a substitute for an actual GP consultation.

    Also, be aware that generic drugs also have a shelf life, and that their potency / effectiveness may deteriorate over time. This fact sheet applies to Australian States, but although the detail may differ elsewhere, the broad principles may be generally applicable. YMMV.
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2022
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  19. JustAnother

    JustAnother Monkey

    accurate..... Many medications have good efficacy YEARS past their expiration date. The Joint DOD / FDA study titled "SLEP" shows many meds good 10 to 15 years past expiation
  20. jefferson

    jefferson Monkey

    Yes, I Agree your comment about generic and branded medicine. Seeking doctor advice is a good option for keeps the body health well and good.
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