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How will you fix a broken bone after tshtf ?

Discussion in 'Back to Basics' started by Nadja, Nov 14, 2010.

  1. Nadja

    Nadja RIP 3-11-2013 Forum Leader

    I thought it might be interesting to find out what some of you have planned in the event of taking a fall and breaking a bone after the SHTF. Do you have med. supplies and actually know how to use them? Have you had experience at this type of thing or even thought about it ? No xrays, no doc's only you to do the deed . What will you do now. :mad:
  2. spacecoast

    spacecoast Monkey+

  3. RightHand

    RightHand Pioneer in a New World Moderator Founding Member

    A couple years ago, I had taken my grandchildren out into my woods for a for a picnic and afternoon at the stream that runs through my property. As I was crossing the stream on the rocks, barefooted of course, I slipped and broke a toe. It was pretty much at a right angle. I couldn't walk the 1/2 mile without doing something but I didn't have a med kit with me. I sat down, gritted my teeth and forced the toe straight, Then, I cut a strip of towel and tied two toes together. Next, I had the kids gather some moss which I used to pad the underside of the toes. Attached it with more towel. It was good enough to hike home where I was able to tape it properly. Because it was only a` toe, it was pretty simple but if it had been a leg, I would have been SOL.
  4. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    good response with a useful reference. I defer to the technical medical experts, but my own thoughts are:

    1. Set the bones early i.e. before the bones have knitted a deformity into place.

    2. Set the bones right first time. Nobody wants their bones broken a second time to fix something that wasn't done properly the first time.
  5. Nadja

    Nadja RIP 3-11-2013 Forum Leader

    I think by staying calm , using your head you turned it more to your direction then many others will in the same situation.

    There was a man at the beginning of last winter who decided to ride his quad in the snow before leaving his cabin to go back to the valley. The S.O had people out looking for him for over 2 weeks before finally giving up the search. He was finally found come early spring. Dead. He had rode his quad a little to close to the edge of a wash, and when the snow gave way, tumbled over and received a compound fracture to his femor. He eveidently managed to crawl about 1/2 mile before he died. Happened in Forest Lakes Az. just last winter. I know his neighbors and had met him once while visiting them. They are further south from us. This is what I am asking people to respond to and also to address this problem as it can be a real nightmare should it happen to them.
  6. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    If soloing...carry a personal locator / EPIRB

    It is possible, given that it was a compound fracture and that it was in wintertime above the snowline, that he bled out or died of shock or hypothermia. Quite possibly the lesson to be learned by that scenario, is to have a personal EPIRB locator on one's person in remote areas when one is soloing, and to have daily contact scheds so that any search effort starts sooner than later.

    The other thing that occurs to me, is that perhaps his priority should have been for shelter and keeping himself warm and dry, though it seems that given that they were searching for two weeks or so, he may not have been easily seen at the crash site.

    Having a functional radio and distress signalling gear with his survival equipment on him or his quad would have helped his chances too. Once having won a Darwin Award, there are few chances for a second award on the mantle piece.
  7. Nadja

    Nadja RIP 3-11-2013 Forum Leader

    Well Chelloveck, I think you are very right. Haveing an emergancy kit attached to the quad may have saved his life. The area of Forest Lakes is so heavily treed that you can barely see a cabin through the growth. A simple boat type flare gun could have made the difference also.
  8. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    For a simple fracture, setting and splinting will have to do.

    Setting a bone may be impossible if the fracture is a compound fracture. Only surgery would set it correctly. In the abscence of this, I would apply manual traction and gradually release tension everyday there after giving the bone some time to heal to the point where the limb may be usable again. It will never be 100% again. Some sort of physical therapy is must.

    I think that is about the only option for a shattered bone.

    Maybe a doc will chime in with a better option.
  9. spacecoast

    spacecoast Monkey+

    FYI, the new terminology for fx is closed (formerly simple) and open (formerly compound).

    There are very specific recommendations for manipulating fx'd bones in the field, so please be very, very careful about this. Fractured bones have razor-sharp edges that can slice through blood vessels like a knife. Field-expedient treatment when you're faced with a fx out in the middle of nowhere is of course different than a situation where you can call 911. My point is that whether out in the middle of the forest or in your front yard, it's imperative to educate ourselves about how to approach a person that has sustained a fx.
  10. RightHand

    RightHand Pioneer in a New World Moderator Founding Member

    I just returned from the ortho specialist. My left thumb, nearly severed last Saturday, has not only a fracture but both open ends were crushed so they can't splint it and they can't pin it until the wound heals. A dozen stitches should come out in about another week. It's pretty ugly but I'm hoping to regain function without surgery. I'm going to try to get some kind of rehab program going as soon as the Dr approves.

    One of the things that has been brought home to me is the need for antibiotics in the med kit.

    The other thing I learned is why the good Lord gave us opposable thumbs! Pretty handy digits.
  11. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    if it's a crushed bone or compound fracture. Might possibly die due to blood loss/ poisoning. I'm thinking I should research further.

    simple fracture. set it or get drunk and have wife set it for me. she's was a CNA.
  12. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    I guess the nick is more appropriate.. hope you get feeling better.., sends good mojo RH's way
  13. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Be happy you are right handed. Good wishes for speedy recovery.
  14. Nadja

    Nadja RIP 3-11-2013 Forum Leader

    This is one of the best answers I have seen so far. Put your minds back to when our great-grandparents were kids. Early to mid 1860.s. Back when drs. were also barbors. Yes, that is true. No, no exrays, no real pain meds and no real knowledge of medicine. You are probably more adapt at this type of medicine right now then they were. Are you prepared to have someone like me put my foot in your arm pit, give you a stick to bite on and start pulling and hope I twist your arm the right way?

    This is the type of medicine we will be talking about. At least most of us.
  15. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    This is where a having a Medical Professional as part of your Group, or under your roof is a really good idea. I would also suggest that if you are a REAL Prepper, one of your Preps, would be to take an EMT Course at you local Community College. It will only take you One Quarter, but will be worth more in a SHTF Senerio that all the books you can try and haul with you, when Bugging Out. If you are exMilitary, or now still in, see if you can take the BattleField Medic Course, or get the Manuals NOW, and then take the EMT Course. I am very lucky. I married an RN, and was a Professional Ski Patrolman in a former Lifetime. All those life skills are still in my brain, even 40+ years later. .... In the SHTF Senerio, what you know, and what you can do, will be worth as much, or more, that what you can carry, or contribute.

    The other thing that this story points out IS, If your out in the bush, alone, you have to KNOW your limitations, and Mother Nature is a B**ch, if you let her get the upper hand, and she can kill you quicker than a fritter, if you mess up. Emergency Kit, Comms, Travel Plan left on the table, before you leave. These are all Smart things to do, and have.
  16. Maxflax

    Maxflax Lightning in a bottle

    If it's compound be sure to get a sterile, wetted cloth or gauze on that bone ASAP so it does not dry out

    I've seen one of these in an ATV accident and advised them to do so..they had a good sized group and water. Then I headed out to make a 911 call at a nearby country store as I did not have a cell phone and neither did they
  17. 264Win

    264Win Monkey++

    How to fix a broken bone

    I have been a EMT since 1964 and a LPN and on to RN . If the break is not a open fx you can get by aligning and splinting if no other care is available. But I warn against treating any injury yourself if care is available. Post SHTF we may be on our own and should have first aid training before it is needed, and the confidence to practice it may be essential for our families survival.
  18. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Unless you absolutely cannot get to professional help then do what you have to. If you can get out then just stabilize the break so that it cannot flex any. Do not cut off blood supply. Check by pressing the nail beds to see if they turn pink after pressure is removed after applying bandages/sling. If that bone is next to a vessel(they are) and you cut it then you may bleed out in short order.
  19. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder

    I was a US Navy Corpsman and was stationed with the USMC I've set bones and relocated joints in the field. It isn't much fun for the person doing it and even less so for the person having it done. If you set a bone then you need to check to ensure that they have good circulation and they have good nuerological responce as well. If not then it needs to be reset ASAP.

    As always any medical info coming from me is for informational purposes only.

  20. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Backwoods, Have you ever heard of my sweetie--Goatlady?? She is from Arkansas, is a preper, and has goats-among other critters.
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