I just spotted something you all should know

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by arleigh, Feb 6, 2017.

  1. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    www.paralax.com RFID reader and writer .
    FRYs has a kit for reading and writing the supposedly secure RFID chip.
    So what does this mean ?
    Any one can steal your ID using this device. with in 3"
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  2. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Most "quality" RFID ChipSets have an Encryption Key that must be transmitted to interrogate the chip.... Usually there are two sets of Keys one for a Reader and one for the OEM/Programmer.... Some have a third for the USER/Owner...
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  3. Oltymer

    Oltymer Monkey++

    Keep any chipped credit or debit cards inside a metal container or wrapped in aluminum foil - Faraday shield. I keep my chipped credit cards inside a Christmas tin intended for gift cards. Someone with criminal intent can scan your chipped cards in your wallet or purse while standing in line at a store cash register.

    Right before the bell rings for round 1 - "Defend yourself at all times."
  4. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

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  5. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    @arleigh where is the link for what fry's is selling? the link you posted is in dutch... I think
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  6. Olympic mountain man

    Olympic mountain man just a lonely cook

    it is just going to be an excuse to put one in your body that's what the want to do
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  7. sec_monkey

    sec_monkey SM Security Administrator

    Parallax Inc. is a US MCU mfg. their site is www.parallax.com

    with 2 LLs [ not 1 L ]
  8. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

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  9. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    I already have the mark of the beast....rfd chipping would seem a little superfluous :ROFLMAO:
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2017
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  10. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    I was at FRYs and saw the device my self. I have a picture in my phone but I don't know how to transfer it here.
  11. sec_monkey

    sec_monkey SM Security Administrator


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  12. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Is it possible to read the data on an EMV chip from a distance? (EMV means Europay, MasterCard and Visa and it's the "chip" embedded into debit/credit cards) The short answer is “not likely.” EMV cards do use RFID. Similar to AM and FM radio bands, EMV chips utilize specific bands to communicate. It’s called Near Field Communication (NFC). NFC radio signals degrade very quickly, and as a result, they can only be transmitted within a very short distance, measured in centimeters. The requirement of close proximity practically eliminates the risk of a device communicating with an EMV chip from a distance.

    Let's talk a second about the criminal element. These people are going to hit up a dark web site and download packs of credit card data rather than stand around waiting for the opportunity to try and get a single credit card number in the open, and that's assuming they have the tools to do it and the very close proximity necessary (within an inch or less).

    So, even though it may be wise to use an RFID blocking wallet, it's also not even remotely likely you are going to find your data hacked any time soon because of the use of an EMV chipped card.
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  13. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
    Knowing how vulnerable this technology is ,it is wise to be cautious.
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  14. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    another thing to remember, is that your Data, IS NOT encoded on the Chip, in the Card... What is encoded on the Chip is an Encrypted Token, that is transmitted to the Card Company, that then indexes the Customer DataBase, which brings up your Account Information... Data Transmission is also Encrypted, End to End, in both directions... So monitoring the Path doesn't really get a listener anything, either.... and since the Banksters are the ones on the HOOK, for any Fraud, when reported, It is in their BEST Interest to make sure that the Path, and Information, is as SECURE, as Possible...
  15. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    Canada & Europe has had this for 6years plus OR I have , my chipped IAA or for you folks AAA or CAA card was open while I walked into a Tuilup Casino , I was greeted as "Good Evening Mr smith ! "
    I was floored & the woman on my side was asking if I frequent this place .
    Woman was My Wife !& knows I can't / Don't know the Gamble .
    Card was read from a "Halo" around the door that could set off chips .same as info on keyless entry into my cars & down to the marina that records time & length , plus weight in & out .
    WE have OWS to TWS & many more ect. = 2010 euro cars and later , 2016 NAC later.

    COVER your cards .
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  16. natshare

    natshare Monkey+++

    I keep mine in some Mylar-lined sleeves, in my wallet. Is it necessary? Probably not. But they cost me a few bucks, which is inexpensive peace of mind. (y)

    Oh, and my employer, who utilizes a chipped card for computer access (albeit, with a PIN, that the credit card companies screwed up, by NOT utilizing, IMHO), and they started handing out those Mylar-lined sleeves for folks to keep their cards in. Hmmm....
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  17. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    I found a mylar bag that fit's my laptop so that while it's in the back pack it's electronically covered .
    To some degree at best, it provides another vapor barrier .
    It might have some effect on EMP but I'm completely counting on it .
    It's just a margin.
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  18. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    I use sleeves on all cards about 15 cards are used , some are just a strip (fuel card Card-lock)
    Wait to you see this "Tap & Go " or "Pass over " , no ID required , just a card .

    WATCH YOUR CARDS & the EULA , using the card says you agree !! being a sheep
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  19. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    Just watched a you tube of a guy looking for funding for a ring that has the RFI chip inside .
    Only problem I see there is there government would love to force every one to put their money in the bank in a way they can access it at any time ,kind of like what happened in Grease .
    There are cities that have tried to force being cashless but I haven't heard how it's worked out . the effort supposedly was to curb sales of stolen goods. "outlawing yard sales". trouble is now people can have an app on their phone that allows people to do credit and debit transactions . so much for that.
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  20. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member

    Yep...THAT right there. I will never have a debit card that allows direct access to my account...Credit card is the way to go if you use plastic. IF I didn't buy it, I ain't paying for it...simple as that. Mine card info has been stolen several times, each time I simply dispute the charges, they send me a new card and life goes on. Other than we all pay for losses in the long run, in the short run, it's simply not my problem.

    I get telemarketer calls (the do not call list is a complete joke) offering me a 'lower interest rate'.....I sometimes screw around with them "Why would I care what the rate is....it could be 200% for all I care"......because we only charge what we can pay off each month....same as I only buy stuff for cash until I'm out of cash. What I do care about is no annual fee, and a good reward program. We use a BP VISA card, and most of the time our fill ups are 11 cents/gal....some tax they apparently can't let you out of....the rest is paid for by the rewards.
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