I like Texas

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by melbo, Nov 17, 2007.

  1. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member


    <table class="sectionhead" style="border-bottom: 2px solid rgb(225, 225, 225);" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="660"><tbody><tr><td height="27">Houston & Texas News </td> <td class="dateline" nowrap="nowrap">
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    Nov. 15, 2007, 4:27PM
    Pasadena man fatally shoots burglary suspects

    Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle
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    <!-- rbox ends here --> A Pasadena homeowner this afternoon fatally shot two men he believed were burglarizing his neighbor's house, police said.

    About 2 p.m., the homeowner in the Village Grove East subdivision heard noises he thought sounded like broken glass, said Capt. A.H. "Bud" Corbett, with the Pasadena Police Department. The man determined the noise was coming from next door.

    The man, who police have not identified, knew the owner of the house in the 7400 block of Timberline Drive was not home, and that the noise could possibly be a burglary, Corbett said. The man then called police to inform them he thought his neighbor's house was being burglarized.

    The man then saw two men coming through a gate in the backyard of the neighbor's house.

    "He confronted them with a shotgun," Corbett said, and asked them to stop. They did not and he fired two shots, striking each man once, Corbett said.

    One man was found dead about two houses from where the reported burglary occurred. The other was found dead across the street, Corbett said.

    Police are interviewing the homeowner.

    A window in the back of the neighbor's house was broken, Corbett said.
    Lacey Hernandez, who lives across the street from the shooting, was home this afternoon when she heard two loud pops, but didn't know what the noise was. About that time, she was on her way to pick up her children from school. As she was leaving, she saw the yellow crime scene tape.
    "I was in shock because I never heard a gunshot before," Hernandez said.
    She described the neighborhood as very quiet. Two-story homes with trees in the front yard dot the street.

    "We leave our garage door open," she said."We let the kids run the streets just like nothing.

    "Now they will not be playing in the streets."
  2. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    "I was in shock because I never heard a gunshot before," Hernandez said.

    How does a person get through life without ever hearing a gunshot? Must be a city people thing, I can't imagine it.
  3. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Won't be surprised if he is tried.. yeah they are/er: were scumbags and society will be better off without them; but;He was not in imminent danger...(perhaps that is "old thinking"and should be changed to reflect a new more aggressive society).
  4. mage2

    mage2 Monkey+++

    I just recently got out of houston.
    That city and all around it has gone down the toilet.
    We keep trying to get the point across to the bad guys. Texans DO shoot first. They need to go to a more crime friendly state.
  5. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    "The Texas Penal Code says a person can use force or deadly force to defend someone else's property if he reasonably believes he has a legal duty to do so or the property owner had requested his protection."


    God Bless Texas.

    Police have not found the families of the dead men, who both are in their 30's. One had identification indicating he was from Puerto Rico, the other had paper indicating he may have been from Puerto Rico, Colombia or the Dominican Republic, he said. "Wow, big surprise there."
    Both men were shot once at a range of less than 15 feet with blasts from a 12-guage shotgun. "That shotty sure was effective."
    The neighbor fired twice. One shot struck one of the suspected burglars in the chest, and the other was struck on the side.
    Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect their own property to stop an arson, burglary, robbery, theft or criminal mischief at night, or to prevent someone committing such a crime at night from escaping with the property.
  6. CRC

    CRC Survivor of Tidal Waves | RIP 7-24-2015 Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    The Castle Doctrine when in to effect over 2 yrs ago in Florida..

    On March 23, 2005, The Florida Senate passed SB-436, the "Castle Doctrine" unanimously, by a vote of 39 YEAS to zero NAYS. They know something about this bill.

    On April 5, The Florida House passed SB-436, "Castle Doctrine" by a vote of 94 YEAS to 20 NAYS, a margin of better than four to one.

    On April 26, Governor Jeb Bush SIGNED SB-436, the "Castle Doctrine" into law (Chapter No. 2005-27) It takes effect on October 1, 2005.

    The news media nationwide started in immediately with its “Gunshine State,” blood in the streets, Dirty Harry, vigilante, irrational mass murder nonsense, mythologies, lies and blatant unethical behavior.

    A great deal of erroneous information has been written, published and spoken about Florida's new "Castle Doctrine" law.

    Claims that the new law will turn Florida into the Wild West are not only an insult to intelligent people but give a patently false portrait of what the bill actually does.

    The Florida "Castle Doctrine" law basically does three things:

    One: It establishes, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, therefore a person may use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that person.

    Two: It removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be. You no longer have to turn your back on a criminal and try to run when attacked. Instead, you may stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others. [This is an American right repeatedly recognized in Supreme Court gun cases.]

    Three: It provides that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force.

    It also prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them.

    In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors who are prone to coddling criminals to instead focus on protecting victims.
  7. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    CRC, the Castle Doctrine will not apply in this case. The house was not the shooter's own. It was his neighbor's home.
  8. CRC

    CRC Survivor of Tidal Waves | RIP 7-24-2015 Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    We need to tell the police in Nassau County that....A guy on the Plantation was on vacation...(Resort area, south end of the island) ...and someone broke in his home...and was shot while driving away in the owners car ...by a neighbor.....who was never prosecuted..

    He said he felt threatened by the presence of a burglar/thief next door to his house...and when yelling at the man, the man made a "threatening gesture"...(whatever that means)........and they let him go.

    I need to reseach the archives in the paper and find the story....

    Of course, it IS the very wealthy end of the island...gated community, etc....Maybe it was money talking....?
  9. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    That just sounds like self-defense, not necessarily the Castle Doctrine.

    The Castle Doctrine laws could and are probably different between Florida and Texas. The intent is probably the same, but the language and requirements (conditions) may very well be different. I read several views that stated that in the Texas case the Castle Doctrine would not apply since the elderly gentleman that shot the two perps was not on his property, which evidently the Castle Doctrine only covers. He should be covered by the other law though, as long as his neighbor requested that he look after his property. I will make sure I request that my neighbors do so............[winkthumb][own]
  10. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

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