I wonder...

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Witch Doctor 01, Dec 21, 2012.


  1. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    there are 400,000 voices being heard in Obama's write in campaign for gun control.... should we start a petition that says leave our constitution alone.... keep our right to bear arms as it is?

    what do you think and do you think we could get this out fairly fast....
     
  2. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    Feel free to go for it. Why wait for someone else to do it for you? Now, to the realities; the petition website that was set up by the Obummer administration is just a feel good website. You could get 2 million signatures and they look at it and say, so sad to bad, we ain't going there. This administration has a free hand with executive orders because the congress is deadlocked and will take no action against the pr-ck holding the top office except in the lower house, which quickly gets quashed by the upper house. It's an evil rigged game. It's their game, or no game at all. Sux right?!!
     
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  3. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    gunsamerica has started one.
     
  4. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    link please
     
  5. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    The fact that the "President" issues Executive Orders in the first place is all the proof required for one to recognize we are living in a dictatorship. The very first Executive Order, by Lincoln, suspended the Constitution as a wartime measure. Naturally, the Emergency War Powers are *supposed* to be rescinded after the emergency is abated. The greatest, single reference I keep making to this is Senate Report 93-549.

    In an active Constitutional republic, the President could not issue Executive Orders (Proclamations) --and Congress does not play a part in this process at all.

    The more you know. =)
     
  6. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

  7. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    thanks, I did not sign .... they already had 50,000 plus signatures. since this is anti obummer administration policy of pro gun control if not outright ban, it will be dismissed with little fanfare.
     
  8. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    Signed ...
     
  9. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    And here is the Obastards Answer .... it came as no surprise to me as I indicated earlier.
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    Official White House Response toWe ask President Obama to support law abiding gun owners in this time of tragedy.
    A Message from President Obama about Your Petition on Reducing Gun Violence

    By Bruce Reed
    In the days since the tragedy in Newtown, Americans from all over the country have called for action to deter mass shootings and reduce gun violence. Hundreds of thousands of you have signed petitions on the White House's We the People petitions platform.
    I'm writing you today to thank you for speaking up, to update you on an important development, and to encourage you to continue engaging with the White House on this critical issue.
    First, you should know that President Obama is paying close to attention to the public response to this tragedy. In fact, he sat down to record a message specifically for those of you who have joined the conversation using We the People. Watch it now:
    Watch this video on YouTube
    On Wednesday, the President outlined a series of first steps we can take to begin the work of ending this cycle of violence. This is what he said:
    We know this is a complex issue that stirs deeply held passions and political divides. And as I said on Sunday night, there's no law or set of laws that can prevent every senseless act of violence in our society. We're going to need to work on making access to mental health care at least as easy as access to a gun. We're going to need to look more closely at a culture that all too often glorifies guns and violence. And any actions we must take must begin inside the home and inside our hearts.​
    But the fact that this problem is complex can no longer be an excuse for doing nothing. The fact that we can't prevent every act of violence doesn't mean we can't steadily reduce the violence, and prevent the very worst violence.​
    Vice President Biden has been asked to work with members of the Administration, Congress, and the general public to come up with a set of concrete policy proposals by next month -- proposals the President intends to push swiftly. The President asked the Vice President to lead this effort in part because he wrote and passed the 1994 Crime Bill that helped law enforcement bring down the rate of violent crime in America. That bill included the assault weapons ban, which expired in 2004.
    As the Vice President's Chief of Staff, I'm going to do everything I can to ensure we run a process that includes perspectives from all sides of the issue, which is why I wanted to respond to your petition myself. Two decades ago, as domestic policy adviser in the Clinton White House, I first worked with Joe Biden as he fought to enact the Crime Bill, the assault weapons ban, and the Brady Bill. I will never forget what a key role the voices of concerned citizens like you played in that vital process.
    The President called on Congress to pass important legislation "banning the sale of military-style assault weapons," "banning the sale of high-capacity ammunition clips," and "requiring background checks before all gun purchases, so that criminals can’t take advantage of legal loopholes to buy a gun from somebody who won’t take the responsibility of doing a background check at all."
    An issue this serious and complex isn't going to be resolved with a single legislative proposal or policy prescription. And let's be clear, any action we take will respect the Second Amendment. As the President said:
    Look, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. This country has a strong tradition of gun ownership that's been handed down from generation to generation. Obviously across the country there are regional differences. There are differences between how people feel in urban areas and rural areas. And the fact is the vast majority of gun owners in America are responsible -- they buy their guns legally and they use them safely, whether for hunting or sport shooting, collection or protection.​
    But you know what, I am also betting that the majority -- the vast majority -- of responsible, law-abiding gun owners would be some of the first to say that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few from buying a weapon of war. I'm willing to bet that they don't think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas -- that an unbalanced man shouldn't be able to get his hands on a military-style assault rifle so easily; that in this age of technology, we should be able to check someone's criminal records before he or she can check out at a gun show; that if we work harder to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, there would be fewer atrocities like the one in Newtown -- or any of the lesser-known tragedies that visit small towns and big cities all across America every day.​
    The President said it best: "Ultimately if this effort is to succeed it's going to require the help of the American people -- it's going to require all of you. If we're going to change things, it's going to take a wave of Americans -- mothers and fathers, daughters and sons, pastors, law enforcement, mental health professionals -- and, yes, gun owners -- standing up and saying 'enough' on behalf of our kids."
    So let's continue this conversation and get something meaningful done. If you have additional ideas and are interested in further engagement with the White House on this issue, please let us know and share your thoughts here:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/share-your-thoughts-reducing-gun-violence
    Thank you for speaking out and staying involved.
    Bruce Reed is Chief of Staff to Vice President Biden
     
  10. marlas1too

    marlas1too Monkey++

    I wouldn't want my name and address on any WH list
     
  11. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    You think it's not already?
     
  12. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    Don't you think they already have them... (Oops Jinx)
     
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