If Upheld Your Vote for President is Meaningless

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by 3M-TA3, Aug 21, 2019.

  1. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey Site Supporter++

    Living in the deep TidyBowl blue state of Oregon I fully understand that the vote I cast for President is completely worthless. Now, it turns out that this may be the case elsewhere if this ruling by the Denver Court of Appeals is upheld.

    In effect, Electors may cast their votes as they see fit regardless of state laws. In close states, especially, this could make the Presidential vote completely meaningless.

    This is some serious stuff with grave consequences for the Republic.

    Court rules Electoral College members aren’t bound by popular vote

    "DENVER — A U.S. appeals court in Denver said Electoral College members can vote for the presidential candidate of their choice and aren’t bound by the popular vote in their states.

    The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Tuesday that the Colorado secretary of state violated the Constitution in 2016 when he removed an elector and nullified his vote when the elector refused to cast his ballot for Democrat Hillary Clinton, who won the popular vote.

    It was not immediately clear what effect the ruling might have on the Electoral College system, which is established in the Constitution. Voters in each state choose members of the Electoral College, called electors, who are pledged to a presidential candidate. The electors then choose the president.

    Most states require electors to vote for the candidate who won the popular vote in that state, but the Denver appeals court said the states do not have that authority.

    The Constitution allows electors to cast their votes at their own discretion, the ruling said, “and the state does not possess countervailing authority to remove an elector and to cancel his vote in response to the exercise of that Constitutional right.” ..." more at link​
  2. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    In this case the Court acted as per the US Constitution...I applaud this ruling... Now the trick to Federal elections for Pres. & Vice Pres. is to get Electors thatwill votefor the guy you support...
  3. Oddcaliber

    Oddcaliber Monkey++

    This doesn't look good for anyone.
  4. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    How the Electoral College Works

    The votes of the Electoral College, comprised of 538 electors divvied up by state, elect the president weeks after Americans vote in a presidential election.
    State legislatures are responsible for nominating electors. The process can actually differ from state to state. In general, though, the two most common ways are:
    • The elector is nominated by his or her state party committee (perhaps to reward many years of service to the party).
    • The elector campaigns for a spot and the decision is made during a vote held at the state's party convention.
    Usually, electors are people who are politically active in their party (be it Democrat, Green, Libertarian, Republican or Independent) or connected to the political arena. This includes political activists, party leaders, elected officials of the state and even people who have personal or political ties to the presidential candidates.

    And while the Constitution makes no mention of qualifications that must be met to become an Electoral College member, it does determine an Electoral College member cannot be:
    • a member of Congress
    • a high-ranking U.S. official in a position of "trust or profit," which refers to a member of Congress accepting an appointment to executive office
    • someone who has "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" against the U.S. [source: U.S. National Archives and Records]
  5. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    This is Breach Of Fiduciary Duty and is a serious concern that needs to go before the SCOTUS ASAP!
    THe Democraps have been trying to usurp the Electoral collage for quite some time, and this is nothing more then the latest attempt by them to do just that! Again, there is a very specific method to amend our constitution, and this isn't part of that!
  6. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    The only chance CO has to go red is if all the refer addicts start celebrating early.
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  7. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    I honestly don't understand this...how in the world can they (the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals) justify this? It simply doesn't make sense and it can't be correct. I would bet we are not getting the entire statement of the court because by simply stating this it means the individual's vote is meaningless... I don't get it.
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  8. SB21

    SB21 Monkey+++

    I figure they are just testing the waters, to just see what exactly it will take to start the next civil war , and how many there is going to be on the front line for the beginning of it .
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  9. UncleMorgan

    UncleMorgan I eat vegetables. My friends are not vegetables.

    The myth that America is a democracy is bolstered by the fiction that the citizenry elect the President.

    They don't. Electors elect the President. The "popular vote" is a popularity contest masquerading as an election. It decides nothing.

    The Founding Fathers created the Electoral College specifically so the President could not be elected by the popular vote. That's because the popular vote is, by and large, cast by ignorant idiots who would sell their vote to the highest bidder.

    Trying to force a Elector to vote in any manner than according to his conscience is election tampering, pure and simple.

    What would happen if every blue state passed a law that residents could only vote a straight Democratic ticket? Or a red state passed a law that residents could only vote for Republicans?

    The only difference would be the sheer volume of election tampering, and the number of voters disenfranchised by such a law.

    And, maybe, the sheer volume of protest it would stir up.

    Another myth being stuffed down the throats of children in Gubermint schools and trumpeted at the graduates thereof is that America was founded on the two-party system.

    It wasn't.

    It was founded on the multi-party system.

    Unfortunately, at the moment, the two biggest parties have stomped all the others so hard they can't hardly get on a ballot--although the Libertarians are still gamely hanging in there.

    Go Libertarians!

    (Free silver 16 to 1!)
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