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"illegal paramilitary activity" and felony?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by OldDude49, Dec 2, 2019.


  1. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    Virginia bill to make firearms training an "illegal paramilitary activity" and felony?

    “A person is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he: 1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder”

    How it will be Perceived/Explained:
    The way that they drafted the bill, and the portions that will be either emphasized or broadly digested will be the portions related to people “knowing” that they’re preparing someone for some “civil disorder”.

    They might even say that this law can be used against Antifa, which it could, but will it?

    Talking heads will go on television, hyping up that this is a good measure that will criminalize people training for acts related to domestic terrorism; although why would we need a law for something there’s already a law for? That could be addressed already by Virginia law § 18.2-46.5.

    How it can be Enforced:
    The most dangerous words in this proposal are “knowing or having reason to know” and “in furtherance of”.

    The reason being that intent is no longer really required, leaving every gun range owners and employees susceptible to prosecution for simply doing business. It’s plain as day why this language is the way it is, because with these key words, only loose connections need to be

    Furthermore, civil disorder is also quite a broad term as well to be concerned about.

    The second and also third portion of this bills is as follows:

    “2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or
    3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.”

    How it will be Perceived/Explained:
    Well now this will try to put you at rest from thinking that someone can legally start up some kind of training camp to prepare people to wreak havoc on your city, which with the way the law is written it can certainly be applied in that fashion.


    the is more information on the site I didn't post it all...

    Virginia bill to make firearms training an "illegal paramilitary activity" and felony?
     
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  2. SB21

    SB21 Monkey+++

    I don't think this is going to sit well with some of them Appalachian boys . 2020 is getting more and more important .
     
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  3. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    It will make conceal carry classes, teaching some one to hunt, how to not accidentally shoot them selves in the foot all illegal.
    Looks like a good way to curtail amendments 2, 4, 5 and maybe 6.
     
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  4. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    Funny the 2A exist to create civil disorder should the Government get out of control.
     
  5. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey Site Supporter++

    If it passes look for a voter referendum the following election to overturn it.

    This one would be fun and quick if it made it to the USSC.

    Politicians should be required to understand things before they write laws about them. In fact, I'd like to see a law where blatant stoopid from a politician would cause removal and then replacement via a lottery of registered voters. Maybe that's where our politicians should come from in the first place.
     
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  6. apache235

    apache235 Monkey++

    If the populace was educated I'd say yes, but they have been dumbed down for decades and many are simply incapable of making serious decisions.
     
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  7. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Get away from the DC metro area, you'll find folks that can think and don't stampede. They will NOT react well to this horsepucky. The main problem is that they are outnumbered in exactly the same fashion as New York upstaters are.
     
  8. Lancer

    Lancer TANSTAFL! Site Supporter+++

    Quite deliberately.
     
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  9. Lancer

    Lancer TANSTAFL! Site Supporter+++

    Which is why the Electoral College process needs to be expanded to the state level. NY, IL, WA, CA, are ALL afflicted with this problem, and is one of the reasons I left Upstate NY 20 years ago.
     
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  10. SB21

    SB21 Monkey+++

    A little off subject, but referring to the Electoral College,, I read where Fakeahauntus Warren says she’ll abolish the Electoral College before her 2nd term as president. If she actually thinks she’s got a chance to be president,,, somebody’s blowing smoke up her wigwam. :ROFLMAO:
     
  11. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Also a bit off to the side, poor ol' lizzie has again opened her yap a bit too far. Would wiping out the electoral college not require a constitutional convention? Even if not, the courts would have fodder for a LONG time.
     
  12. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    "well regulated" mean anything to these people?

    IMHO this goes directly against that part in particular... hope the attorneys for our side jump all over it!
     
  13. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    And by extension, wouldn't this make the State Militia null and void? How about private security, or, my favorit, force multiplication with the U.S. Mil employing civilian contractors, and using them to train U.S mil personal????
    That alone is a multi Billion per year deal, somebody is going to be very very pissed off at loosing all that money, currently set at 11.6 billion per fiscal year!
     
  14. hot diggity

    hot diggity Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++

    “All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void.” (Marbury vs.Madison, 1803.)
     
  15. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Exactly. Trouble is, the Constitution is mute and cannot speak for itself, it has to rely on the courts.
     
  16. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    I think the key statement is
    Training for hunting and or concealed carry/ self defense classes would still be authorizes unless you Knew ahead of time this was occurring...

    However it might cause additional issues for Law enforcement as LEO training is designed to be used /employed is response to a Civil disorder...

    just my 2 cents...
     
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  17. hot diggity

    hot diggity Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++

    Just the kind of fuzzy law that will get good people killed and turn local police into the enemy of the people.
     
  18. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Yes I was about to ask that,Who's going to enforce these off the wall sideways laws?
     
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  19. hot diggity

    hot diggity Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++

  20. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    That's the point
     
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