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Immigration Deal

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Blkpwdernut, May 24, 2007.

  1. Blkpwdernut

    Blkpwdernut Monkey+++

    Immigration Bill Could Outlaw Gun Shops

    Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
    8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
    Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408

    Wednesday, May 23, 2007

    First, there was the McCarthy-Dingell bill. The folks on Capitol
    Hill have been telling you we need HR 297, a bill to greatly expand
    the Brady Law. They say it will stop future Virginia Tech shootings.
    And, oh yes, there's one more thing: they want you to believe the
    McCarthy-Dingell gun control bill isn't really gun control.

    Now, they want to bring you an anti-gun immigration amnesty bill.
    Already you're hearing it's not really an amnesty bill. (Yeah,
    right.) So don't be surprised if they tell you it's not an anti-gun
    bill either.

    Forget, for a moment, the fact that the immigration package
    negotiated in the Senate could grant amnesty to up to a hundred
    million illegal aliens who have flaunted our laws.

    Forget, for a moment, that it would pull the rug out from under the
    growing number of states that have vetoed the anti-gun National ID
    bill passed by Congress in 2005.

    Forget, for a moment, that the bill will strengthen existing laws by
    requiring all legal Americans (like you) to own a National ID card
    before you can get a job.

    In addition to all these things, the bill could, in the hands of an
    anti-gun administration, result in the closing of every major gun
    store in America.


    Senator Ted Kennedy and the anti-gun zealots who wrote the bill just
    couldn't resist the temptation to get their hands on our guns. They
    have included language that GOA has been able to defeat in the past.

    When Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) introduced these anti-gun provisions
    in 1998, the GOA grassroots were able to convince seven senator
    cosponsors to pull their names from Hatch's bill.

    At the time, The Hill newspaper credited GOA with having "generated a
    significant number of postcards" into Senate offices. "The
    [seven] senators, echoing the concerns of the GOA, are apprehensive
    about the violation of Second Amendment rights," reported The Hill.

    The current language in the amnesty bill is only slightly different
    from Hatch's original language almost 10 years ago, but it would
    essentially do the same thing -- threaten every gun store in America.

    In Section 205, for example, all it takes for the employees of a gun
    shop (of five or more persons) to become a "criminal gang" is:

    * For them to commit two or more violations of ANY federal felony gun
    offense -- which includes virtually all gun offenses, including
    paperwork violations; and

    * For the anti-gunners to find that violating gun laws was a "primary
    purpose" of the group.

    So let's say your local gun store sells two or three firearms to
    Mayor Bloomberg's thuggish agents under New York City's
    extraterritorial "sting" operations. Your gun shop is now a
    "criminal gang."

    This provision could even be used against a family of five who drives
    by two schools on the way to a movie with a gun in the glove
    compartment. Certainly under a Hillary administration, it would not
    be surprising to see them treat this infraction as a "felony" under
    the weird language of Gun Free School Zones Act. Thus, you and your
    family would become a "criminal gang."


    There is still no official immigration bill -- that is, the working
    draft does not have an official senate number. The draft was
    concocted by senators who put it together behind closed doors, all
    the while bypassing the normal committee process.

    While this unofficial draft has been "the buzz" around the country
    this past week, several things have been overlooked. One thing, to
    be sure, is the threat to gun owners' rights mentioned above. But
    also ignored is the fact that the negotiating draft imposes draconian
    penalties for those who live in states that have the audacity to veto
    the National ID card (which passed as part of the REAL ID Act of

    If you live in a state such as Montana, Maine, Idaho, etc. which has
    passed legislation opposing the government's efforts to turn your
    driver's license into a National ID card, YOU COULD BE DENIED

    Gun Owners was already concerned about this law -- which has yet to
    be implemented -- because of the threat it poses to gun owners'
    privacy. But now the immigration bill will go even further by
    requiring all present and future private sector employees to be
    screened by the Electronic Employee Verification System (EEVS).

    And in Section 1(a)(4)(i) of the draft legislation, the bill allows
    for EEVS approval of your continued employment only if your private
    employer meets "strict standards for identification documents that
    must be presented in the hiring process, including the use of secure
    documentation that contains a photograph, biometrics and/or complies
    with the requirements [of the] REAL ID Act...."

    Hence, no National ID card... no job.

    ACTION: Please use the letter below to contact your Senator. You can
    use the pre-written message below and send it as an e-mail by
    visiting the GOA Legislative Action Center at
    http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm (where phone and fax numbers
    are also available).

    -----Pre-written letter-----

    Dear Senator:

    Why does the Congress seem bent on pushing gun control every chance
    it gets? First, there was the McCarthy-Dingell bill in the House (HR
    297) that would greatly expand the Brady Law. We don't need more gun
    control as a response to Virginia Tech shootings. We need to repeal
    the gun free zones that turn people into mandatory victims!

    Now, the Senate wants to sneak gun control past us in the form of an
    immigration bill. The Senate immigration package is a horrid piece
    of legislation in such a wide variety of respects.

    But, in addition to everything else, section 205 could, in the hands
    of an anti-gun administration, PUT EVERY MAJOR GUN SHOP OUT OF

    All it would take is for the shop to commit two felony paperwork
    violations -- and an anti-gun administration willing to find that
    this was a "primary purpose."

    Similarly, a family driving to church or to the movies -- with a gun
    in the glove compartment -- could be a "criminal gang" if it passed
    two schools, and an anti-gun administration determined that
    protecting his family was one of the father's "primary purposes."

    Again, I urge you to OPPOSE the immigration package as long as this
    anti-gun language remains in the bill.

  2. Mortis

    Mortis Snake Eater

    First of all..... I notice the GOA is asking for money and right up front to boot.

    Second, they give no actual reference to the Senate Bill, but do reference a House Bill that is dead in the water, and only provide Section/Sub-Section Numbers for this mystery Senate Bill.

    Real hard to research something without even the tinest trace of data. Back doored the sucker. Interesting that Kennedy is not the author of the bill. Oh well.

    So I did find a Senate Bill on Immigration which does include some Gang Member information. Interesting that the key data it references is the identification of a Gang Member as already specified in Title 18 of the United States Code.

    Need to research this more when I have pants on and wide awake.

    Yeah... more coffee.... and where the hell is my pants??
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