Iodine and Antibiotics

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  1. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Iodine and Antibiotics
    Posted by Dr Sircus on November 15, 2009 | Filed under Cancer, Iodine, Medicine

    A great feeling of security for a parent comes from administering a medicinal like iodine. It is what I give my children instead of dangerous antibiotics when they are sick. It is what I use when the first symptoms of flu approach and it does spare one the worst of that misery. After we understand that iodine is an excellent antiviral, antibacterial, anti fungal, mold and yeast agent we begin to glimpse the catastrophic mistake made for substituting pharmaceutical antibiotics for iodine.

    Antibiotics do not kill yeast but they certainly can kill people on occasion.[1] Not only do some antibiotics increase the risk of sudden cardiac death but sometimes they lead to liver compromise and failure. Despite the ever-widening use of antibiotics the National Center for Infectious Disease and the Centers for Disease Control announced that the U.S. death rate from infectious disease increased by more than 50% between 1980 and 1992, making it the third leading cause of death.

    Studies have documented the association between increased rates of antimicrobial use and development of resistant infections thus doctors who prescribe antibiotics irrationally should be rebuked. There is a growing consensus among infectious disease specialists, epidemiologists and control experts from the U.S. and Europe about the dark side of antibiotic use. In the right form iodine is every mother’s cherished medicinal heavyweight because it can save a child where antibiotics, often today, will not.

    According to several studies, obstetricians and gynecologists write 2,645,000 antibiotic prescriptions every week. Internists prescribe 1,416,000 per week. This works out to 211,172,000 prescriptions annually in the United States, just for these two specialties. Pediatricians prescribe over $500 million worth of antibiotics annually just for one condition, ear infections. Yet topical povidone iodine (PVP-I) is as effective as topical ciprofloxacin, with a superior advantage of having no in vitro drug resistance and the added benefit of reduced cost of treatment.[2]

    Many women find after taking antibiotics, they get vaginal yeast infections (because their normal bacterial balance has been lost). Antibiotics bring on fungal and yeast infections thus will eventually be seen as one additional cause of cancer since more and more oncologists are seeing yeast and fungal infections as an integral part of cancer and its cause. With upwards of 40 percent of all cancers thought to be involved with and caused by infections[3] the subject of antibiotics and the need for something safer, more effective and life serving is imperative.

    Every day, new strains of bacteria, fungi, and otherpathogenic microorganisms are becoming resistant to theantibiotics that once dispatched them with extreme prejudice

    Though it kills 90 percent of bacteria on the skin within 90 seconds its use as an antibiotic has been ignored. Iodine exhibits activity against bacteria, molds, yeasts, protozoa, and many viruses; indeed, of all antiseptic preparations suitable for direct use on humans and animals and upon tissues, only iodine is capable of killing all classes of pathogens: gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria, mycobacteria, fungi, yeasts, viruses and protozoa. Most bacteria are killed within 15 to 30 seconds of contact.

    Iodine is by far the best antibiotic,antiviral and antiseptic of all time.- Dr. David Derry

    Dr. Derry says that iodine is effective “for standard pathogens such as Staphylococcus, but also iodine has the broadest range of action, fewest side effects and no development of bacterial resistance.” There is a world of difference between using an antibiotic – anti-life substance – and a antibiotic, antiviral and antifungal substance like iodine, which is life serving because it is a basic and most necessary nutritional substance.

    Iodine kills single celled organisms by combining with the amino acids tyrosine or histidine when they are exposed to the extra-cellular environment. All single cells showing tyrosine on their outer cell membranes are killed instantly by a simple chemical reaction with iodine that denatures proteins. Nature and evolution have given us an important mechanism to control pathogenic life forms and we should use it and trust it to protect us in ways that antibiotics can’t.

    Iodine and Antibiotics
     
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  2. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Moderator Moderator Site Supporter++

    [applaud] great post, great information. I do not know much about iodine and have never heard of it for killing fungus. Fungus/yeast/ candida can truly make one sick. With our diets eating so much processed sugar (which is in most everything) most everyone has fungus. But an overgrowth can happen so easily. Now when you are prescribed antibiotics, the Dr always say to eat yogurt or take some probiotics- why? to combat the fungus and to keep it from over growth. I am going to look into this more. Thanks for the info.

    BTW- we all saw Miley Cyrus stilling out her white fungus covered tongue- she could use big dose of iodine.
     
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  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

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  4. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    "Iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic of all time." Dr. David Derry

    Iodine, the Universal Pathogen Killer. Though iodine kills most pathogens on the skin within 90 seconds, its use as an antibiotic/antiviral/antifungal has been completely ignored by modern medicine.

    Date: 5/5/2009 11:44:06 PM ( 6 y ) ... viewed 21810 times

    As early as June 1, 1905 an article was printed in the New York Times about the successful use of iodine for consumption/tuberculosis. Though iodine kills most pathogens on the skin within 90 seconds, its use as an antibiotic/antiviral/antifungal has been completely ignored by modern medicine. Iodine exhibits activity against bacteria, molds, yeasts, protozoa, and many viruses; indeed, of all antiseptic preparations suitable for direct use on humans and animals and upon tissues, only iodine is capable of killing all classes of pathogens: gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria, mycobacteria, fungi, yeasts, viruses and protozoa. Most bacteria are killed within 15 to 30 seconds of contact.

    "Iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic of all time." Dr. David Derry

    Dr. Derry says iodine is effective "for standard pathogens such as Staphylococcus, but also iodine has the broadest range of action, fewest side effects and no development of bacterial resistance." Some doctors have reported that it is excellent for the treatment of mononucleosis. Iodine kills single-celled organisms by combining with the amino acids tyrosine or histidine when exposed to the extracellular environment. All single cells (pathogens) showing tyrosine on their outer cell membranes are killed instantly by a simple chemical reaction with iodine that denatures proteins. Nature and evolution have given us an important mechanism to control pathogenic life forms, and we should use it and trust it to protect us in ways that antibiotics cannot.

    Dr. David Brownstein, author of Iodine - Why You Need It, uses iodine extensively in his practice and says, "Iodine is a wonderful antibiotic solution without question and most importantly I never see any of my patients complain of dysbiotic reactions from its use." Because drug-resistant micro-organisms continue to emerge and the number of patients susceptible to these infections is increasing dramatically, an approach that utilizes the innate powers of the immune system as a therapeutic agent will have the greatest benefit to sick patients. The body's ability to resist infection and disease is hindered by long-term deficiency in essential vitamins and minerals including that of iodine. Poor immune response is correlated with impaired thyroid function; a deficiency in iodine can greatly affect the immune system because low levels of iodine lead to problems with the thyroid gland.

    Stephen Fisher a missionary in Zambia has been very successful with the use of iodine treating people with malaria. He used 20 drops of Nascent Iodine in a half glass of water given 4 or 5 times during the first day and then decreased the dose to 10 drops of Nascent Iodine 4 times a day for 3 more days, although higher dosages can be administered for much longer since iodine is a nutritional medicine that is needed by the body. Such a protocol can be used for the swine flu or any other type of influenza. Brownstein and others use much higher dosages of other iodine forms, namely Lugol's and Iodoral for cancer treatment. If you are interested in high dose usage, please read one of the books by Dr. Brownstein or "Dr. Sircus for more details on how to do so.

    The minimum number of iodine molecules required to destroy one bacterium varies with the species. For H. influenzae it was calculated to be 15000 molecules of iodine per cell. When bacteria are treated with iodine, the inorganic phosphate up-take and oxygen consumption by the cells immediately ceases. Thus the antiseptic properties of iodine are used to sterilize every surface and material in hospitals. Iodine is an excellent microbicide with a broad range of action that includes almost all of the important health-related microorganisms, such as enteric bacteria, enteric viruses, bacterial viruses, fungi and protozoan cysts.

    The tremendous diversity and mutability of many infections and their ability to intelligently exploit the cells is one of the main reasons we should return to iodine as our favored broad spectrum antibiotic, anti-viral and anti-fungal agent. Iodine provides us with a safe way to strengthen innate responses to invading microbes while simultaneously correcting or eliminating a basic nutritional deficiency that causes immunological unresponsiveness.

    Iodine is able to penetrate quickly through the cell walls of microorganisms.

    Iodine is a deadly enemy of single cell microorganisms thus it can be our best friend in our fight against the most dangerous pathogens. Nature and evolution have given us an important mechanism to control pathogenic life forms and we should use it and trust it to protect us in ways that antibiotics can't.

    Dr.David Brownstein, one of a core group of iodine doctors had very kind words to say about the book, Iodine - Bringing Back the Universal Medicine. "Dr. Sircus has done it again. He has written a wonderful book on iodine that shows the benefits of iodine for treating a wide range of disorders and how you can incorporate iodine into your daily lifestyle. This book should be in everyone's library." I would say the same about his book, which inspired my deeper study into the applications of Iodine.

    An Important Note: Supplies of drinkable iodine are severely limited and unavailable in most parts of the world. It would be wise to stock up on both Nascent Iodine as well as Lugol's. For those who can only get the inexpensive iodine at the drug store meant for cuts and bruises, know that you can paint the body with it quite heavily and frequently to get iodine into the body. Just monitor the skin for any reactions with small area applications first.

    "Iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic of all time." Dr. David Derry

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  5. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Never had to worry about the doc telling me to eat yogurt, eat at least 2 yogurts a day usually.

    The first time I had a MRSA staph infection, my right leg had become extremely infected and swollen so much, you could almost watch the redness/infection crawl up my leg. They pumped me with IV antibiotics for 10 days, after oral antibiotics didn't work.

    I've had my fair share of antibiotics pumped into me over the last 5-6 years battling numerous Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) staph infections.

    Unfortunately, MRSA staph has reared it's ugly again.

    I'm currently using Iodine, not antibiotics, to combat MRSA staph this time,

    Being it isn't 100% gone, I can not ring the victory bell for iodine yet.
     
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  6. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Moderator Moderator Site Supporter++

    @ColtCarbine I am no medic but my first thought was bag balm then I googled and someone mentioned Doterra On Guard which is good for infections. Bag balm may not let it drain. My father had a 2nd degree burn, he used bag balm but never flushed things and cleaned so he ended up in trouble. Bag balm draws the infection out.

    PS- I spent years on antibiotics. My system is screwed up also.
     
  7. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    The items you mentioned, along with what I use (Draw out salve) attack the symptoms but does nothing for the root cause of the infection. I'm after the root cause of this infection, so it will never rear it's head again.

    I have found Draw out salve to work best on drawing the infection out but it does not make the infection leave the body or go away, as it has come back numerous times.

    That's where the iodine comes into play, getting rid of the infection without the use of antibiotics. Allowing the body's own immunity system to combat the infection.

    I can't take any chances with these infections anymore, if antibiotics do not work just one time, I'm screwed. If this was to happen, one option to prevent the spread of infection is to start amputating portions of the body where the infection starts. Ask me how I know this, words right out of the doctors mouth the first time I got this infection. Had antibiotics not worked the first time, I would have probably lost my right leg. MRSA staph is nothing to screw around with or take lightly.

    You do realize that most MRSA staph infections can antibiotic resistant but yet iodine is keeping at bay, HMMMM.
     
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  8. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Moderator Moderator Site Supporter++

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  9. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    ...and I would find oxgall on what grocery store isle? ;)
     
  10. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Oriental Spice Shops will have it....
     
  11. Airtime

    Airtime Monkey+++ Site Supporter

    I read the Dr Sircus article and various comments raised concerns.

    The specific message is “don’t substitute pharmaceutical antibiotics for iodine.” That is fine within the context for which iodine is indeed an effective treatment.

    The thing that bothers me is the article’s implied message that it is better to use iodine than antibiotics and does not qualify, maybe intentionally, that this is ONLY for when iodine is effective (more on that later). This is illustrated in the comments like, “…iodine. It is what I give my children instead of dangerous antibiotics when they are sick.”

    The arguments promulgating that implied message take some references for justification out of context and have some other problems.

    For example, the article argues that despite ever-widening use of antibiotics, CDC mortality data for infectious diseases increased 50% between 1980 and 1992. Sounds bad until you realize the data includes all infections, not just bacterial. The CDC noted that the primary cause of the mortality increases during that time period were due to AIDS which is a viral infection, not bacterial, which neither iodine nor antibiotics can cure. The article further ignored CDC data that showed significant 8-10% per year decreases in infectious disease mortality during the 1940s and 1950s as antibiotics came onto the scene. It ignores the fact that TB and similar terrible diseases were nearly eradicated by the use of antibiotics.

    [​IMG]

    Here is an abstract summary of the data referenced in their claim that puts it in proper context.
    JAMA Network | JAMA | Trends in Infectious Disease Mortality in the United States During the 20th Century

    References and quotes to a Dr. David Derry are employed to bolster the implied notion that iodine is universally a better solution than antibiotics. Reading Dr. Derry’s article, his context was sanitizing surfaces, cleaning the skin, treating face masks to prevent viral penetration and even trying to build up iodine in nasal mucus to prevent the contraction of viral infections. He was mostly discussing prevention and not so much treatment of already contracted and established infections but this critical distinction is absent.

    http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/Derry.flu.iodine.9.19.09.pdf

    Derry notes some afflictions such as goiter and cretinism may be prevented but also writes, “The author is not aware of any published data on treating viral infections with oral or intravenous Lugol’s solution (an iodine solution) or any other medications with the exception of some topical iodine’s use for herpes infections.”

    Other medical sources I checked show some efficacy for conditions relating to low iodine levels in the body but I too did not find reference to curing established bacterial or viral infections with oral consumption of iodine. Some articles discussed wound treatment or topical applications to skin, eye and ear infections which indeed sometimes can be treated with topical application. Interestingly there also is data that the application of iodine based solutions on wounds may actually delay healing.

    Iodine | University of Maryland Medical Center
    Review of Ophthalmology® > Iodine: An Elemental Force Against Infection
    Recognition and management of wound infections
    A controlled trial of povidone-iodine to treat infectious conjunctivitis in children. - ResearchGate

    The article has references to antibiotics that appear to only serve to prejudice the reader. Items like antibiotics won't kill yeast yet kill people with things like cardiac failures. An antibiotic’s impotence killing yeast is irrelevant, they aren’t employed to do that.

    There is discussion about side effects but no statistics putting those risks in perspective with the risk of not effectively treating a serious infection. Might a vaginal yeast infection be experienced after consumption of a course of antibiotics? Yes, but isn’t dealing with that for a few days better than pneumonia, or bacterial meningitis or even an ulcer (helicobacter pylori bacteria). Further the article gives the impression the worst consequences are quite probable. The statistics are available and conspicuously absent.

    The article suggests that the vast number of prescriptions somehow illustrates antibiotics are therefore bad. One could also argue that those numbers reflect how universally convinced the medical community is in the safety and efficacy of antibiotic treatment. Are they over used and drug resistant strains developing? Yes, but that’s not the fault of antibiotics, it’s use when not really necessary.

    Iodine certainly has a place in a prepper's medical stores, especially as a sanitizer, antiseptic and most certainly as a topical antimicrobial to treat a those skin, ear and eye infections for which it indeed works.

    It is a convincingly written article, however, my conclusion is the article is rather misleading. Beware that iodine is not a replacement for antibiotics, there are many infections iodine will not cure and for which antibiotics are crucial.

    AT
     
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  12. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I can not say that I would disagree with you in the article being misleading, when it does not need to be. Unfortunately, he is accompanied by other's in the vast world of natural/alternative methods of nutrition and/or medicine. Trying to sift through all of them and finding one single website with a point of view and/or experience you're trying to get across to your friends can be challenging.

    I didn't start this thread with the intent of not adding information to it. Perhaps, I should at least change the thread's title, so a proper discussion can continue, as there is a lot of beneficial uses for iodine. Probably more than most of us realize.
     
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  13. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Ideas???

    Iodine: Nutrional/Medicinal Uses and Side Effects

    Why iodine is so important to one's health?
     
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  14. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    @Motomom34 Idk why im so fascinated by the link you posted but I am... Love herbal salves and remedies I found more of the recipe but nothing exact. Anyone else find anything?

    This ancient 'remedy' actually kills MRSA - Futurity
    FOLLOWING THE RECIPE
    The recipe calls for two species of Allium (garlic and onion or leek), wine, and oxgall (bile from a cow’s stomach). It describes a very specific method of making the topical solution, including the use of a brass vessel to brew it in, straining to purify it, and an instruction to leave the mixture for nine days before use.

    “We thought that Bald’s eye salve might show a small amount of antibiotic activity, because each of the ingredients has been shown by other researchers to have some effect on bacteria in the lab—copper and bile salts can kill bacteria, and the garlic family of plants make chemicals that interfere with the bacteria’s ability to damage infected tissues,” says microbiologist Freya Harrison.
     
  15. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

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