Is it just me, or are we have a lot of arguments lately between the "bushcrafter/primitive" side of the forum, and the "stockpile/modern" camp? I'm not fanning flames, or calling anyone out, BUT, I do have something to say, and I don't want it to get lost in a particular thread. The "primitive" skills that we keep bringing up are skills that we are discussing as a SUPPLEMENT to your modern kit, to act as an alternative in the case of the loss, damage, or otherwise lack of having the high tech stuff at your disposal. We are not ADVOCATING you abandoning you kit and your preps to go "play caveman" (a term we almost universally hate) and get yourselves killed. Empirically, these "primitive" skills are the ones that people in life or death situations always fall back on. Advocating that you practice (key word) these techniques before you need them is not an insult, or bad advice. Please, quit getting butthurt about it. We all have stories about how bad the "primitive" stuff is compared to the modern higher tech options. We are very well aware that they require more work, and more knowledge to perform. And we usually carry the modern stuff with us as well, but, we do not let it handicap us by planning on solely relying on it into infinity. The difference between (two ready examples, not mudslinging) "atlatls suck" and "bowdrills are not Zippo's" is that we have accepted those facts, and have worked through them to find the better ways of performing those tasks. Or not, because I suck at primitive fire. That is all the more reason for me to spend more time working on it, not an excuse for me to quit. I am fully aware that we all have our lines in the sand, and there is no issue about maximizing your surivability based on those things. Hopefully, this will set the stage a little bit to have a better discussion on "primitive" vs "modern". And if not, I at least got to say my piece. Y'all have a good one.