Is this a good rifle?

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by clemsonguy81, Apr 10, 2009.


  1. clemsonguy81

    clemsonguy81 remington 700 cdl 30-06!

  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Not worth a damn for sniping. What use have you in mind?
     
  3. clemsonguy81

    clemsonguy81 remington 700 cdl 30-06!

    ill be using it for looters and that sort of thing.
     
  4. magnus392

    magnus392 Field Marshall Mags Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    If you are wanting some long range love and must have a semi auto I would run something in .308. Springfield M1A1 (M-14) or HK-91/PSG-1 type.

    Otherwise I would go with a bolt action rifle.
     
  5. WestPointMAG

    WestPointMAG Monkey++

    Do you need a $1400.00 to shoot a looter?
    Could some of that money be spent on other preps?
    Have you considered the total cost of this rifle?
    You will need mag, sling, case, parts, a cleaning kit, optics, ammo and a set of web gear.
    Any time you add a long gun you should add another set of everything that goes with it. I have a set of web gear for each one of my long gun. I have a few Saigas and for shooting looters they would work very well. You can get Saigas in .410, 20ga, 12ga, .308, 7.62x39 and .223 and one will cost $900.00 less. If you buy a 7.62x39 and invest in some 154gr SP in I do not think you will have any problems taking care of the looters. A link to Saigas on the same website. http://www.floridagunworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=FIREARMS+R+SAR+SG
     
  6. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Westpointmag makes excellant points.
    Does it solve a problem?

    Naw almost took the bait,
    Getting out of here before that "hyde" guy comes back and demonstrates how much of an (clever?) a-hole I can be.. .
    'Nah gunna do it... wouldn't be prudent...
     
  7. Cephus

    Cephus Monkey+++ Founding Member

  8. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I think you might be able to do a little better than that price, sellers on Gunbroker.com are selling the same configuration from a few different manufacturers for $100-$150 less. For $1400 on an AR-15 you might as well pony up a few more bucks and get a DPMS or Armalite AR-10. Don't let yourself get screwed like that.
     
  9. Nomad 2nd

    Nomad 2nd Monkey+++

    DO NOT buy from Florida Gun works.
     
  10. turbohardtop

    turbohardtop Monkey++

    That is a bit high. There is a place here locally that sales to LEO but is open to the public that has Bushmasters for $899.
     
  11. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Somebody is still selling at before election prices, that's sweet. If I was in the market, I'd be all over that.
     
  12. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

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    New in the Factory box.
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    Our Store Hours are 10 AM TO 7 PM MON THROUGH Friday. And 9 AM TO 6 PM on Saturday. 10 AM TO 5 PM on Sunday. CLOSED ON JAN. 1ST, Easter Sunday and Christmas. All times are Eastern Daylight Savings Time. Just call 1-740-622-2120.
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    "Special Deal" If you buy this today and pay for it with a credit card in 3 Days or less there will "NOT" BE a 3 percent CREDIT Card Fee like most other sellers charge you. Make sure you buy it now, this special offer could be ended at anytime.
    NOW IN STOCK AND READY TO SHIP.
    We will Not ship firearms to Maryland. We will only ship long Guns to New York State, no handguns.
    This gun is NOT LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA.
    "Warning" The picture is from our Files, you will be getting A Gun just like the one in the picture, with a different Serial Number.
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    We are Sporting Goods, and Firearms Store and sell at the lowest price possible.
    New in The factory box.
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    BRAND: Bushmaster
    Item Number: BCWA3F16M4 BUSHMASTER
    Factory Number: BCWA3F 16M4
    One of our most popular Carbine models, the M4 Type features a distinctive Military Barrel Profile and Six Position Telestock – great for 3 Gun Match Shooting, Home Defense and Law Enforcement use.
    The Bushmaster Type Patrolman’s Carbines are modeled after our M4 Type Carbines, but with additional barrel length to make them legal for sale to individual officers (semi-automatic configuration with 16" barrel).
    The 5.56mm/.223 Rem. caliber 16" barrel is chrome lined in both bore and chamber for long wear life and ease of maintenance. For control of muzzle flash and muzzle rise in rapid fire, a “birdcage” type suppressor is factory installed. A mil. spec. manganese phosphate outer coating insures protection against corrosion or rust on the barrel and all critical steel parts of the weapon.
    The telestock, pistol grip and two piece handguards are all molded of strong black thermoset composite material. The handguards are internally shielded against barrel heat build-up.
    Once the Carry Handle is removed, a wide variety of scopes, red dot or holographic sights, or night vision equipment may be mounted on the Upper Receiver’s integral Picatinny rail. Iron sight zero is completely repeatable when the handle is reattached by means of its knurled knobs.
    The Bushmaster A3 Type Patrolman’s Carbines are shipped complete with 30 round magazine, safety and operational manual, and carrying sling.
    Caliber: 5.56mm or .223 Rem.
    Magazine Capacity: 30 Rounds (accepts all M16 type)
    Overall Length: 34.75” [88.27 cm]
    Length - Stock Retracted: 32.5" [82.55 cm]
    Barrel Length: 16" [40.6 cm]
    Rifling: 1 turn in 9” [22.8 cm] R.H. Twist / 6 grooves & lands
    Weight w/o magazine A3 Type: 6.7 lbs. [3.04 kg]
    Weight of empty magazine: .25 lbs. [.11 kg]
    Weight of loaded magazine: 1.0 lbs. [.45 kg]
    Mode of Operation: Gas Operated
    Cyclic rate of Fire rounds per minute 45 - 90 in Semi-Automatic
    Mode of Operation Semi-Automatic; or Semi-Auto
    Muzzle Velocity: M193 - 55 grain 3130 ft./sec. [954m./sec.]
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  13. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I lied, you can find the same on Gunbroker.com for $250 less than Florida Gun Works, that's without even checking other gunboards where one can usually find better deals than Gunbroker.
     
  14. turbohardtop

    turbohardtop Monkey++

  15. RouteClearance

    RouteClearance Monkey+++ Site Supporter

    I have been highly amused by this clemsonguy81 ever since he joined this board a few months ago. He has done nothing but ask us open ended questions about firearms and basically nothing else. I have finally googled his screen name and I have found that he has done the same thing at other sites regarding weapons and/or survival. I also found that he is heavily into console gaming, which leads me to belive that with his general maturity level that he is a juvenile.

    Now he has done nothing against our COC, that would result in him being kicked off the Monkey and I hope he dosen't because like I stated above, I find him very amusing and like a good laugh all the time.

    Clemson, here is a word of advice from a 43yr old combat vet. Start reading all the archives here , for there is a goldmine of info here that would have answered 99% of all your questions so far, and survival is not just weapons oriented. There is so much here to learn, that could very well save your or your loved ones lives, for knowledge itself is free for the taking. It's what you learn and gain from that knowledge that will always be priceless.
     
  16. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    You politely forgot to mention:
    " LET ME LAY IT OUT FOR YOU! 30.06, 9MM!..."
    but I said I wasn't getting into this; if you'll excuse me I have to go make the she monkeys call for my banishment and subsequent demise...
    Ohyeah hey clemson guy you can't shoot somebody for stealing your tv(" looters and such"...). Well you can; (physically) they don't have special powers or anything; but it's not legal..
     
  17. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    <style></style>Have basically read his posts for the comic value and to see what the responses are. Just like a typical kid, give me all the answers so I don't have to think. Look it up for yourself, you have the internet that can answer anything with some research. Gee, just imagine before the internet, having to go to the library and reading a book to figure it out!
     
  18. WestPointMAG

    WestPointMAG Monkey++

    I have read over 5000 and still do not know it all.
     
  19. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    I've always liked that rifle. Light, accurate I trained with it and have thought about getting one.

    What would you pick?
    An SKS with 3k ammo or the AR-15 pictured above with no ammo and why? Would it be a lopsided trade?
     
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