It's TIME to declare independence!

This is one post I will agree with Chel on. Not every General is George Washington and until that man steps up Im not a follower. When I use generals like Ike , Macarther or Patton it was because they hated communism as much as I do and they could lead men to victory. No one will ever defeat the United States Government from the inside without the support of at least half of the Military. In my opinion this would require at least an ex military man to rally the troops to restore the constitution and reclaim our lost liberty.

But as Broker has stated , non compliance is the best course for now.

 

*Listening for gunfire*

 

I like that... Thread Drift

It was 3%

 

Paying for signatures??? Petition signatures if they are to be worth anything ought be freely given for the cause that the petitioners are signing up for. Is ChristianIndependance going to note on the petition which signatures have been freely given, and which are mercenary signers for filthy lucre?

It seems more like an exercise in fantasism, than a real political movement, reminding me of wannabe vanity guild, guildmasters buying guild signatures with WoW Gold.

Call me a skeptic, but does ChristianIndependance have a constitution? Are its accounts transparent and auditable? What means of good governance can you publicly demonstrate? How are office bearers elected, and more importantly, how are they held accountable to the membership for the organisation's financial management? What happens to the funds accumulated by Christian Independance in the event that the organisation gets wound up?

I know that I'm something of a doubting Thomas...but this and other prepper sites tend to attract flaky "blow ins" Google with a carpet bag, and an eye to the main chance: Medieval fortress survival time shares (The aristocracy get to own the assets...the serfs get to stump up the time share cost, and work as serfs at the leisure of the aristocracy.); Prepper survival retreat promoters in upper Patazonia where the locals tolerate the gringos so long as the gringos are spending their $US in the local economy ; and hucksters selling all kinds of patent prepper nostrums.

Usually these folk don't stay long...and have no real commitment to the site, beyond the site's value to deliver gullible dupes.

Good Luck CI....I don't think I'd be contributing a brass razoo (Brass razoo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (aka a plugged nickel in Americanese)plug nickel - Wiktionary

To help set up a Christian Theocracy anywhere....let alone in opposition to the USA. The Christians prior to the establishment of the USA, had a wonderful time persecuting each other, divesting American Indians of their land, and generally making themselves a PITA to anyone who didn't hold to their own doctrinal ideosyncracies. Why should we expect much better from these neo puritan secessionists.


Religious Persecution in America
An Outline of Baptist Persecution in Colonial America
History, Travel, Arts, Science, People, Places | Smithsonian

Oh...and what role will atheists play in this Christian utopia that you are trying to get established? Will they be eligible for public office? Will they they be retricted to hetero-normative marriage arrangements? Will they be compelled to attend church services? Will Jews be confined to Ghettos? These are questions that I would like to know, before I part with a Mite, let alone a shekel.

 

"Paying for signatures??? Petition signatures if they are to be worth anything ought be freely given for the cause that the petitioners are signing up for. Is ChristianIndependance going to note on the petition which signatures have been freely given, and which are mercenary signers for filthy lucre?"

You are mistaken, sir. The signers get nothing. The guy with the clipboard, who chases down and verbally assaults, people to get them to listen, DO get paid for their efforts (if hired) by the number of signatures.

 

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ChristianIndependence, you really should become acquainted with Minuteman, the site's self appointed chaplain and American historian extraordinaire. You and he would seem to have much in common...if you also are an aficionado of David Barton style historical/hysterical revisionism.

You omit to note that the original Pledge of Allegiance, was a godless pledge, written by a Christian Socialist, ( pinko liberal) Francis Bellamy; and his pledge came into usage from 1892.


The Words "One Nation Under God" was only inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954 during the McCarthy era...when there was a public panic over communism. "One Nation Under God" has not served to unite the nation....but excludes those who have no belief in the Christian God. In principle, the United States of America has only been one nation under god since the mid 1950's. Before that, E pluribus unum was the de facto motto of the United States of America...a wholly more appropriate motto, reflective of ALL United States Citizens, whatever their origin, creed or politics than a motto which merely placates the aspirations of a fraction of the nation's citizens who just happen to believe in (the Christian triune) God.

Francis Bellamy would be rolling in his grave if he saw the attribution in the following plaque


But I guess that some theist somewhere wanted to give the unwarranted impression that "under god" had been part of the pledge of allegiance from the beginning.

Just goes to show how conservative a Christian, Francis Bellamy was....god bless his soul!

Although many Christians cite the Star Spangled Banner as evidence that the USA is a Christian Nation, the reference to God in the anthem, is not so often heard. As with many long anthems, usually only the first verse gets a hearing.

The Star Spangled Banner has only been the US national anthem since 1931, and there had been a number of alternative contenders for the job over the years since US independence. Citizens are under no compulsion to sing the anthem, and members of some Christian sects refuse sing it as it is against their religious convictions to do so. The main effect of the verse that includes:
"And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."" is to conflate inappropriately a belief in a god with patriotism. There are many US citizens who have no belief in God, let alone a trust in God, who are none the less American patriots, and I dare say that there are god believers who are (or were) not particularly, or consistently patriotic people. (Benedict Arnold, but one of them).

 

I do recall, in the dim dark depths of the F&R Forum that Minuteman explained how he came by the appelation of chaplain. The word chaplain appears under his avatar, in the same way as Diabolus Causidicus appears under my avatar. I suspect that we have both assumed roles within the site that suit our inclinations, just that Minuteman seems to have been accorded some official recognition for it.

I note that most formally recognised offices within SM have their own title, such as Administrator; Founding Member; Moderator; Forum Editor; Forum Leader etc, perhaps the formal title "Chaplain" may likewise be officially denoted. It may save some confusion. I would of course be happy to accept the formal title of "Devil's Advocate", but would also be happy to cede that title to someone else worthier than myself.

 

@Brokor

As opposed to your superlative taste in men?

 

Nope, Keep your handle and position my friend. You have inspired many energetic and THOUGHT PROVOKING conversations. No one does as well as you.