Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by stg58, Mar 26, 2015.

  1. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Founding Member

    barry and his cabal just keep wizzing on the constitution and operate above and beyond the US code.

    18 U.S.C.§ 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
    Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

    WTF are the practicing infiltration in the USA??
    "Blend in with the local population in an effort to test the effectiveness of infiltration techniques"

    » Jade Helm: Troops to “Operate Undetected Amongst Civilian Population” Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
    A key component of the controversial Jade Helm military exercise set to take part in nine U.S. states this summer will involve soldiers operating “undetected amongst civilian populations,” to see if they can infiltrate without being noticed.
    The “realistic” military training exercise, which will involve the Green Berets, Navy Seals, and the 82nd Airborne Division, is set to take place from July 15-Sepember 15, but has prompted concerns after Texas and Utah were labeled “hostile” territory in documents related to the exercise.

    A Houston Chronicle report reveals that soldiers will attempt to blend in with the local population in an effort to test the effectiveness of infiltration techniques. Residents will be advised to report “suspicious activity” during the exercise.
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  2. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    [sarc1] I would think that Folks walking around with M4s slung over their shoulders would stick out like "Sore thumbs".... Does that mean I can Detain these Military Assets, and turn them over to the local LEOs? These .MIL folks better let their Hair Grow Out, or they are going to stick out like "Martians" anywhere around my AoO. [sarc2][violin][viking] [peep] ohno
  3. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    What a joke! Maybe they can come on down and build some good fence for me while they are trying to look interested in how the ranch works.

    Never Mind!

    I'll do it myself and do it right without Gov help.
  4. vonslob

    vonslob Monkey++

    My dad served as a navy corpsman during Vietnam. He says he can spot a military person from miles away, they carry themselves differently
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  5. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Worse yet the special investigators/operators are more obvious.

    I busted three of them in 8 years of service. So maybe I missed a couple dozen more, had I been the opposition they would have been in trouble!

    My comments to the PTB netted me a place in history with a FBI file.
  6. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    When I was in Germany, we attended classes to help us integrate into the foreign society. I can speak enough German to pull it off well, and the clothing as well as shoes were all bought locally. I often times was complimented after revealing I was military, that they never suspected. It's all part of OPSEC.

    As for this "Jade Helm" operation, I am fairly certain it has more to do with actual training and conditioning for operating among American civilians than anything that can be used for foreign operations. It is clearly a Psy-ops -and saying it is nefarious would be a gross understatement. We have seen military personnel train for urban combat since way back in the early 90's with Operation Urban Warrior. The military has training specifically designed to take over local police headquarters, put down insurrections, and establish front lines in just about any civilian area. They have practiced taking over a precinct with helicopters and soldiers rappelling from above, storming through in the middle of the night, to traversing the streets and gaining intel while using civilians to be informants against their neighbors.

    Gaining the support of the civilian populace is crucial. They will sell this as a means to create better cooperation between agencies and local law enforcement, and to hone their emergency response in the event of a disaster. And we all know "who" the government defines as domestic terrorists -patriots, retired military, those who support the Constitution.
  7. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Metal weldin' monkey

    I'm betting most of us would stick out in your AO BT:)

    "A leaked 2012 US Army Military Police training manual, entitled “Civil Disturbance Operations,” described how soldiers would be ordered to confiscate firearms and kill American “dissidents.” The manual also revealed that prisoners would be detained in temporary internment camps and “re-educated” to gain a new appreciation of “U.S. policies,” in accordance with U.S. Army FM 3-19.40 Internment/Resettlement Operations."

    "Jade Helm has also drawn comparisons to a 2012 scenario outlined by retired Army colonel Kevin Benson, in which the U.S. Military is used to crush an insurgent rebellion overseen by Tea Party militia members who take over the city of Darlington, South Carolina."

    While many men in this area wear their hair closely cropped, I agree with @vonslob in that many military folks carry themselves and speak in a different manner, especially those with more than one hitch under their belts and SF types. They just do. Also, I suspect that many may not have that Texas twang when they open their mouths. I've worked with many Texans in the oil field and its easy to tell where they are from once you get used to hearing it-and those native to the area will dang sure be able to pick up on that I would think.

    I'm certainly no great military mind, but this exercise smacks of BS to me. If they want to practice their infil skills seems they should be doing so in/near the expected AO,but then again, maybe they are doing just that..
    This is just one more point to ponder in the discussion of wether Berry really plans on leaving office. My [2c]
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  8. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    Whenever .GOV holds "drills" there seems to be concurrently or shortly there after a horrible "incident" near by.Now I'm certainly not saying our .GOV has ever been involved in shady practices concerning we the people,buttttttttt........I think I'll just keep a weather eye out and remain the quiet,shy, PC person I am for a while longer.
  9. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    I heard about this last week. It occurs to me that 2 months of setting up LZ's and DZ's under the guise of training, would give them plenty of time to get ready for a larger force to move in! Just flip the switch! Maybe this is what Big Sis Napolotano was talking about when she disappeared into the woodwork?
    The way they are positioning themselves and where they are choosing to start the OP, they could easily sweep North, much the same way I play RISK.
    I build my forces, then when I feel ready, I roll across the board! Never been beat, Yet.
  10. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Utah is the exact WRONG State to start with, and anyone who has ever lived there would know that... They can NEVER Be taken over by the FEDs, by occupation. Those Mormons have dealt with that Senerio BEFORE, and it did NOT go well, for Johnston's Army, that time, and it will be worse if it is tried again. Any Plan to try, will be a MASSIVE FAILURE, and a lot of blood will Run in the Streets, and it will mostly be the Invaders blood. " A Gun, behind every Blade of Grass" comes to mind.....
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  11. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    I lived in Salt Lake for 10 years.Thats why they colored it RED!
    The problem there is access to roads in and out could be stopped really quick. The other problem is it's a desert, not a lot of places to hide from Apache Hel.
    When I first moved there it was 50% LDS when I moved in 95' it was 30% lots of liberals and a growing gay population that is very activist oriented. Utah is not what it used to be. I loved it there, most beautiful state I ever lived in!
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  12. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    I think there going to have there hands full in Texas! Then when they get into states with tree's (Remember Viet Nam) their going to be screwed, every redneck with a gun will having a field day, and trust me there are a lot of rednecks down here in the South!
    It may well be a training exercise, we'll see what they've learned when its over!
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  13. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    It only took 3% of the Colonists to mount the original revolution.... You can't imagine what 30% of the Utah Population could do t o some Invader. Those Mormons already have a Command and Control Stucture in place, and operational....
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  14. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

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  15. vonslob

    vonslob Monkey++

    I am having a real hard time trying to find a legit reason for this. I just can not see how it will end in a positive way. Maybe they (federal gov) see the tide turning against them. Many people are starting to wake up.
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  16. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

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  17. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    After 9/11 they seized authority over Cell companies to shut down access to the population during times of emergency. They also have a kill switch for the internet. Last week I saw an article on TV saying the Gov. just announced that the White House has the ability to seize all airways, to insure ALL channels show the Propaganda without having to ask permission.
    There will be a serious lack of ability to communicate if the Gov. makes a move like this. Disrupting communication is War Strategy 101, and it looks like the stage is set!
    Still if only 10% of the population stands up, that's 32 million people to deal with, not a walk in the park by any stretch of the imagination.
    The beauty of most Americans, is their ability to be independant thinkers, and also their resourcefulness, and ingenuity!
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  18. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    There are 2 things that really bother me about this.
    1) that they think they need to practice on USA population.
    2) that US citizens will eventually become accustomed to seeing military personnel I full combat gear. Because after this blending I exercise, the next step is gear get all out I full view and remind streets like this is a military dictatorship
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  19. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    the military is expressly forbidden to act as a police force within these borders.

    Side note: is not a military person in civilian dress, with the intent to deceive considered a spy? is that not still considered a capital offense?
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  20. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Metal weldin' monkey

    We are guaranteed the right for free assembly and protection against illegal searches and seizure and we all have seen what the .gov thinks of those rights...Berry can/will over ride Posse Comitatus with a stroke of his executive pen..

    "The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition ... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws".[8]
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