Discussion in 'Blades' started by ezmoney, Feb 9, 2012.
knife law's in a car or on your person. how do you find out per state what thy are.
Contact your local LE department,magistrates office, or the D.A.'s office.
Most of the time after a certain size or certain modle's fall under your CCW and can be charged as a violation when concealed on your person or in a vehicle
Yep, that's the best bet because knife laws can vary city to city. Here in Ohio our Constitution prohibits cities from making their own laws against firearms but they can still ban/limit knives on the local level. Local law here is really restrictive unless it's not concealed which is why I carry a Buck Vanguard openly on my hip. IIRC the city doesn't allow more than a 2" blade concealed.
Holy crap! Two inches?!?!
I expect to see more local ordinances against knives here in Mobile in the wake of last weeks policeman getting killed. He had arrested a man for robbing a Dollar store, hand-cuffed him and missed a hand-cuff key and two inch knife in the guy's shoe.
Does this mean if you have A CCW permit that you would be allowed to have one?
18 Pa.C.S. § 908: Prohibited offensive weapons
(a) Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if, except as authorized by law, he makes repairs, sells, or otherwise deals in, uses, or possesses any offensive weapon.
(1) It is a defense under this section for the defendant to prove by a preponderance of evidence that he possessed or dealt with the weapon solely as a curio or in a dramatic performance, or that, with the exception of a bomb, grenade or incendiary device, he complied with the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq.), or that he possessed it briefly in consequence of having found it or taken it from an aggressor, or under circumstances similarly negativing any intent or likelihood that the weapon would be used unlawfully.
(2) This section does not apply to police forensic firearms experts or police forensic firearms laboratories. Also exempt from this section are forensic firearms experts or forensic firearms laboratories operating in the ordinary course of business and engaged in lawful operation who notify in writing, on an annual basis, the chief or head of any police force or police department of a city, and, elsewhere, the sheriff of a county in which they are located, of the possession, type and use of offensive weapons.
(3) This section shall not apply to any person who makes, repairs, sells or otherwise deals in, uses or possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.
(c) Definitions.--As used in this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:
Any weapon which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.
"Offensive weapons." Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge, any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, dagger, knife, razor or cutting instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an automatic way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or otherwise, any stun gun, stun baton, taser or other electronic or electric weapon or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.
(d) Exemptions.--The use and possession of blackjacks by the following persons in the course of their duties are exempt from this section:
(1) Police officers, as defined by and who meet the requirements of the act of June 18, 1974 (P.L. 359, No. 120), referred to as the Municipal Police Education and Training Law. [FN1]
(2) Police officers of first class cities who have successfully completed training which is substantially equivalent to the program under the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(3) Pennsylvania State Police officers.
(4) Sheriffs and deputy sheriffs of the various counties who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(5) Police officers employed by the Commonwealth who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(6) Deputy sheriffs with adequate training as determined by the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency.
(7) Liquor Control Board agents who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
Pennsylvania case law:
Where opening knife required lock to be released, and
once lock was released blade could be exposed by flip of
wrist, knife did not have blade which could be "exposed in
an automatic way"... by "otherwise" legislature referred
to knives that were opened by some sort of mechanism which
is not a "switch," "push-button," or "spring" mechanism
but still a mechanism... (1979)
NC CCW limits you to only firearms... anything else is a violation of the law and a chargable offense... read your local state laws to verify...
Look it up for yourself. Cops & lawyers will just make up on the spot what they want you to hear.
Well strunk, as a medically retired LEO,I find your response to be ignorant and uninformed. If you have ever been given false or misleading information from a Law Enforcement Officer or public official in the judicial branch of your local government,you should call the States Attorney Generals Office or your State Bureau of Investigation! If the city or state that you live in is that far gone, you should consider moving somewhere where LEO's and others who serve have integrity and who are professional. Yes, there are bad seed out there as in any profession,But do not think to paint us all with broad brush strokes.We die every day to protect our citizens. I came very close to dying in 1989 while protecting my citizens and I am reminded of it everyday by my job related disabilities. Kindly feel free to continue showing your arrogance and lack of knowledge on these matters...I fought for your right to do that also. BTW,please provide any links you have since you want me to look it up.
I was. LEO in NM for 25 yrs and pretty much any knife is legal. A knife only becomes a weapon when you use it as one or if it is a switch blade, dirk or dagger (that's a whole nuther discussion). The problem is a lot of cops don't want to admit they don't know and won't look it up. That said ask an attorney who practices in your jurisdiction.
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I had a cop try to give me whatfor about my open carry pistol. I had to teach him about the law, which thankfully he was inclined to hear before calling in to his captain and verifying before hauling me off and setting himself up for a civil rights suit.
Bout the only one I worry about.
"A person acting in ignorance of the law in good faith and upon advice of the clerk of the court or of an attorney, but in violation of this section, is not excused." (1907)
- "Knife about 4-1/2 inches in overall length which, when folded, was clearly designed for carrying in a pocket or purse, was an 'ordinary pocketknife' as defined by this section." (1989)
4 1/2" Open or when closed? Cuz my pocket knife when closed is 4 1/2" but open its 8"!!! I wear it clipped in my pocket.
14-269(d) & 14-269.2(d)
does not apply to an ordinary pocket knife carried in a closed position. As used in this section, "ordinary pocket knife" means a small knife, designed for carrying in a pocket or purse, that has its cutting edge and point entirely enclosed by its handle, and that may not be opened by a throwing, explosive, or spring action. No Length limit in NC Laws.
This might answer the question, if the above source is reliable.
A good buddy of mine is a Rutherford County Deputy and has seen my knife, which is about the same size as yours and is carried as you carry yours, many times, and never mentioned having a problem with it. He did smile when my wife showed him her new knife, which has a spring assisted opening feature, and said, "You know, that knife will be confiscated if anyone ever stops you and sees it."
They seem to lump "spring-assisted" into the same category as "spring-opened." Someone might be able to successfully explain the difference to a judge, but also might not.
The no explosives used to open a knife takes all the fun out of it..
Yeah if I were using that system I would want it to be a spear,a long spear.
Back in the day (my mid 20s), my friends and I would get about 10-15 cases of beer and go out to a large plot of land that one of my friends' dad owned have a big fire and campout.
Invariably, the friends parents would come by about dusk to make sure no one was dead and the girls were still of sufficient mind to not be drooling (keep in mind, we're in our mid-20s and some were Marines who saw action in the Gulf round 1).
My friends' mom would see those coolers full of beer and never say a word. Then, one time, she saw a pint of Wild Turkey sitting on my bike and had a major conniption fit. "There will be NO hard liquor here!" she bellowed.
10 cases of beer and she had a problem with a half-finished pint of bourbon?
My point is, what kind of dumba$$ makes up a law that a CCW permit allows you to carry a gun concealed...a gun that can do a lot of damage in the right hands (or left), but would have a problem with that same person having a knife? Granting someone a CCW....and that person not using said gun for evil deeds, at least to me, says that that same person will probably be responsible enough to carry a knife.
Seeing crap like this makes me think that we're about to get what we deserve. You let a bunch of idiots run things and expect everything NOT to go to hell is fool's folly.
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