Lakota Indians Secede from the US

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by melbo, Dec 21, 2007.


  1. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    I believe secession should be allowed. After all, our government has been all supportive of the secession of the Russian republics, right? If secession is good for the commies in the name of Democracy, why isn't secession also good for the democratic republic in the name of Democracy?

    Although these guys don't have a state or country anymore, through treaties, lies, and deception our forefathers put the ultimate **** on the indigenous people of this country. I mean, if they want to pull out of the treaty isn't that their right?

    After all, we pulled out the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty so that we could build nuke bunker buster bombs. How come when the .gov violates a treaty is said to be done in the name of our "sovereignty" but when another sovereign nation doe so the same thing, it is unacceptable.

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  2. sniper-66

    sniper-66 Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I saw somewhere that Putin is putting his seal of approval on it,, maybe they can get AKs and BMPs now!
     
  3. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    One comment;
    Remember Wounded Knee.
     
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    yeah that'd show Vermont....[patr]
     
  5. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Yep for certain.
     
  6. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Just think how they held up the first time with bows against rifles and biological warfare...if they can stand up as well now and get comperable arms thenit might get interesting.
     
  7. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Oh and the DNA testing wouldnt do any good with the BIA, you have to find an ancestor with a BIA number or on the roles then show documented proof of birth and death of each generation down to you to prove direct liniage and that the percentage is high enouph for the given tribe. If not close enouph in generations to the one with the BIA or role number to be high enouph percentage you have to find another relative with their number that would up the percentage.
     
  8. pizzamonkey

    pizzamonkey Monkey+++

    Wonder if they have plans to print thier own currency? Start build casino's and soon enough they will own a piece of us just like the China.
    They do have the right idea hope it works well for them, to bad the people in NO dont feel that way. Get off your butts and make something of yourself! I propose a toast... salute


    [beer]
     
  9. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine The Plumber Founding Member

    Too bad Texans don't still want to separate themselves from the Union, perhaps a mass Exodus of others would get their attention. :shock:
     
  10. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Well Colt if it goes that way then Mexico gets all of the SW .
    This will never fly, and if they back out, then the next treaty after the Second Cowboys and Indians war will be even less, I guess we could deport them afterward.
    It will make my family smaller in the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com[​IMG]<st1:place w:st=" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region> for sure.
    Also could you imagine the property owners in those areas?
    I see a lose lose.
     
  11. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I had a rifle stolen several years ago by an acquaintance♠♠. He passed away and the rifle was passed through his family until it was finally offered to me for sale at a very reasonable price. It is a bargain at the price being asked for it. I can't prove that this was my rifle; I know it was. The man that stole it morphed into a fairly well-liked person over the years and I have never had anything but good will towards his family and he did not leave them much behind. I never reported the theft to the law because the weapon was not exactly kosher with the NFA. My options are many and complicated. I am not trying to hi-jack this thread but I can see some parallels here.
     
  12. hartage

    hartage Monkey+++

    If the money is not that important to you just buy the rifle back. After you get it back check the serials against your record to confirm it is yours. Then go to the SOB'S grave and give him a good cursing out with proof. You might even want to urinate on the headstone if it makes you feel better.

    If you bear no ill-will towards those he left behind perhaps not doing anything that would just increase their pain might make you feel better also. I'm glad to hear your baby (rifle) found it's way back to you one way or another.
     
  13. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I could care less about the rifle; the point is that a prized possession was stolen by someone that I more or less trusted and we made a truce that lasted for years although amends were never made. Heirs to his miscriance benefited by quasi-ownership and I am sure that their dad's "War Trophy" has quite a tale to go with it. I could demand it back and I am sure they would give it up. I could buy it back and let sleeping bears lie. I could play the legal card, but the weapon would probably end up being confiscated and destroyed. The quandary that I face is very similar to the Lakotas; we stole their land and wrote the history books about it and generations later, the heirs, in all our innocence, still benefit while the true owners are still screwed.♠
     
  14. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    As I understand it they are also not trying to order anyone to move out and are even welcomeing new folks to move there even if they are not Lakota by liniage so long as they give up their US citizenship and accept citizenship of the new nation. Then they also are not demanding taxes so I dont realy see where it would be a harm to the land owners there.
     
  15. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Reminds me of a poem by an obscure Native American artist. Goes like this.

    It's not colored water their drinking
    Tomorrow anvils will be falling on their heads
    They're celebrating
    They're hiding high in the mountains
    Just in case

    They've been scared to death
    by the faces of mount Rushmore
    They are two Americans
    A woman and a man
    Smallpox, injustice and General Phil Sheridan
    are the responsible parties

    They are two Americans
    A woman and a man
    Who don't wear Black Hills gold
    And they disagree with history

    Today they were talking
    behind George Washingtons back
    They found a perfect spot
    for lunch and explosives
    Under the stars they hear good news
    The heads are gravel
     
  16. hartage

    hartage Monkey+++

    Yeah, such is life sometimes. But hopefully you didn't miss out on one little fact.... maybe he did get whats coming to him. Your alive and he is not. I still say buy it from his family (helping innocents) then just piss on his headstone.

    Maybe him stealing it kept you from being popped by the atf and it saved you massive fines and/or jail time. Maybe it altered your life timing enough to keep from getting into some horid car accident. Whatever the reason including no reason at all he is dead and you are not. You won.
     
  17. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    It should be noted that Russell Means is an activist, but he's not the elected leader of the Lakota Nation. The elected leaders of the Lakota Nation haven't backed this splinter group at all.
     
  18. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine The Plumber Founding Member

    I'm of the opinion if they feel they were wronged and want out of the US, let 'em if that's what the majority of them want. Will this ever become more than a fantasy, probably not. The property owners in these areas would pose a problem, especially if they don't want to renounce their citizenship or move. Even if they were granted succession from the US. It probably won't matter anyway since North America seems to be creeping towards a North American Union.

    As far as Mexico getting all of the SW, don't they already have some form of control without firing a single shot. The re-Mexification seems to be working quite well and our government is catering to it. It is my understanding that Latinos wouldn't mind doing something similar by annexing the SW with Mexico once they have a majority in the southwestern states.
     
  19. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Thats the way it will be my friend some day imho
     
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