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Leaning Tree Removal

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by azrancher, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. azrancher

    azrancher Monkey +++

    OK, I got a problem, leaning tree is going to take out my aviary/flight cage...
    Here it is:
    Another tree has already fallen:
    The leaning tree:
    Another tree that fell left across the creek:
    OK got tree hooked up to dozer with chains:
    Cutting into the tree with chain saw on the leaning side, can't get enough of a cut to get it to lean toward the dozer.
    Plan tomorrow to carefully start cutting in on the dozer side, non leaning side... does that sound good, cut it a little, crank the dozer up and see if I can nudge it upright from the leaning side, I also could put splitting wedges in the saw cut on the leaning side.

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  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Notch the dozer side without a lot of tension on the chain or you'll bind the saw. Pull the chain taut and start cutting on the other side, keeping tension on the chain. If you have a helper, and the dozer won't be hit when the tree finally starts to go, have him keep the chain taut. No helper, just take it in small alternating steps. (If the tree can reach out and touch the tractor, well, get a longer chain.) The aim is not to get it up straight, but to lay it out toward the chain side. Straight does you no good. If that isn't clear, don't do it.

    I'll feel really bad if I don't add these two notes:
    Remember, the chain is going to be under a whole lot of pull, and the last thing you need is for that to snap and have the recoil lay the tree exactly where you don't want it.
    Remember that felling leaners and crooked trees is an art form, not a science, and sometimes they don't go quite the way you planned. (Yes, I know this, had one go 180 degrees away from plan. No harm, but it did drop on the tractor while I was hot footin' it the other way.)
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  3. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    Cut only with cable pulled up at least 10 " plus with dozer , Im seeing cable as it stretches
    Have second eyes see top branches wiggle towards pull ..STOP
    come and cut base at 90* to pull down low and thru to center (middle of core only , 1/2 way ) Wedge & then while the cable is still hard & pulled pull a little bit more 2 feet to make sure your still hard , then go back & cut on the back side of pull up at 2 feet waist height.back of first cut same distance 1/2 way to make a chair after . pull & the chair should hold till you pull it your way .
    The more weight you need to pull over the wider the core section is left . 3/8 to 3/8 cut in ;)

    Good luck .
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  4. Mountain mama

    Mountain mama Monkey

    Just be careful no matter how you do it. Don't want you hurt! Good luck! We have a black walnut beside our house that has to come down that will be tricky. Its huge and roots have cracked the cement in the basement.
  5. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    What Grit said, Plus put the chain as high as you dare!
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  6. azrancher

    azrancher Monkey +++

    Yeah the chain is at about 12', the cage is 12', it is around the tree at the 2nd limb up above the ladder. I have enough tension on the chain that the chain saw doesn't bind, just looking for a solution to ease it for falling, and yes this is a one person operation, the XYL will probably kill me when she gets home.

    The only goal is for it not to fall on the cage...

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  7. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    Sloth has it right, Just take it slow and you should be fine!
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  8. Seepalaces

    Seepalaces Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    Soooo...empathy for murderous wife.
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  9. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    I never have figured out women, the screaming usually starts about the time she tells me "You could have got Killed" and in retrospect she is right. Start out to cut some leaning limbs and four hours later I don't know how I got in this position.
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  10. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    JUst 2 cents. I have cut many similar trees. Looks as if you have a substantial tree in the way and direction of the one you want to drop. That needs to go 1st. You can create another dangerous situation getting the desired tree hung up in a second tree. That's all. Some may disagree. YMMV whatever.
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  11. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

    +1 on what tac mentioned....also clean up your escape path...with all of the brush and smaller offshoots, it looks like you are painting yourself into a corner if the fell goes awry. Safety first always! ;)
  12. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    I might have started by whittling away branches to limit the torsion caused by the weight of the branches... and then as you mentioned...
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  13. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    I might have attacked this a bit differently .
    1. remove all the branches on the leaning side possible .(pole saw)
    I have used poles and hooks to maneuver ropes on trees and limbs I cannot climb, to lift and capture branches that were a problem.
    2. once the majority of branches I could handle were removed , I'd tie off to the strongest part of the tree as high as possible .
    3.tie off to the cat and draw tension just to be secure .
    4. cut my "V notches" toward the cat " 3 of them ", each half way through no more the tree is dead so it is a widow maker . NO BACK CUT. it is important to have as long a hinge as possible if possible .
    use the cat to pull it down. you shouldn't be any where near the base when that tree begins to go.
    it is going to want to twist, look at the angle of attack and calculate that the twist will fallow the weight.
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  14. azrancher

    azrancher Monkey +++

    Yes the tree that fell on it's own, and in the right direction is in the way of a clean fall, however the goal here is to make the still standing tree, that is leaning fall in the same general direction of the fallen tree. Cleaning up the fallen trees after they are down is is simple, and of course the dozer can pull the logs out of there.
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  15. azrancher

    azrancher Monkey +++

    A lot to respond to here, cutting the upper limbs was thought of and I almost did that, but the biggest limb overhangs the cage, and I didn't think that the cage would support it, besides the top of the cage is just poly netting, very weak. Back cut is already done, the chain is holding the tree now, wanted it to hinge on the dozer side of tree. I don't care if it twists and falls at a 90* to the dozer chain, it will miss the cage. The tree is still very much alive, the other two trees that have fallen were also alive, wild fire came thru here about 5 years ago and scorched the bottoms of the trees (Sycamore), and have weakened the bases, sad to see those trees are 60-80 years old.

    Last edited: Jan 8, 2017
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  16. azrancher

    azrancher Monkey +++

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  17. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    Damage not so bad. Your safe. Good Job. Have a rest and a drink on me. Cheers!
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  18. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    I have had to do a lot of these (leaners) on the property but haven't had to do one yet where it would damage something - well - there was a risk I would take down the power lines. Leaners are dangerous as they can barber-chair on you and ruin your day and many are rotten inside to make matters worse (looks from the photo yours was too) and you don't know until you start cutting. Sure wish I had me that little cat (bulldozer) that you got as I normally have to use my new pickup with the wife driving it...not sure which makes me more nervous, the tree or the wife driving my new truck. hee-hee! LOL!
  19. Aeason

    Aeason Monkey

    Glad you got it down without injuries. I had had a huge white oak leaning with the biggest limb over the house, too tall for me to tackle had to hire tree removal people to get it down. It had to be topped first and roped down then using a snatch block they got the trunk felled parallel to the house.helped me with my firewood.
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  20. azrancher

    azrancher Monkey +++

    Yes that tree was rotten inside, I was just lucky it had no opening to the outside because that would have been a perfect bee tree.

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