I'll start off with a couple of unusual Turks. Okay so you say Turks are not unusual...these two are. While they are both K-Kale's, they are short, shorter than the so called M38's you all hear about. They come with bent bolts and the dark one is all matching, including bolt (well except for the floor plate). Neither of these rifles are new on the market - both were imported around 12-13 yrs ago. To give you a comparison to a full size Turk (I've never owned a M38 so I can't do the size comparison to one of those). Oops those are M38's I'm comparing them too. Dang it all, the full size turk is over at my friends house and is even longer than the two long ones in the bottom picture (yes I are stupid). Used to have a lot more C&R rifles but I've cut way down these days. I still have my love of a few - the Turks being one of them. I think it's because they're in 8mm.