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Discussion in 'Politics' started by ricdoug, Oct 2, 2007.

  1. ricdoug

    ricdoug Monkey+++

    This will get a chuckle out of You:

    Jesse Macbeth, the Liberal backed "War Hero" NEVER FINISHED BOOT CAMP! LOL! GET OFF OF IT! Anyone chasing Rush on this one are going to rnd up sucking hind tit! Ric

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    Jesse MacbethJesse Adam Macbeth (b. Jesse Adam Al-Zaid,[1] in 1984) falsely claimed to be an Army Ranger and veteran of the Iraq War. He lied in alternative media interviews that he and his unit routinely committed war crimes in Iraq.[2][3] Transcripts of the video were made in English and Arabic.[4] According to the U.S. Army, there is no record of Macbeth being a Ranger,[5][6] or serving in a combat unit: he was discharged from the service after having been declared unfit or unsuitable for the Army, or both,[7] before he could complete basic training.[8]

    After his release from the Army in 2004, Macbeth purported himself to be a veteran, telling war stories and garnering attention from mainstream,[9] alternative[10] and student media outlets. He joined Iraq Veterans Against the War in January of 2006,[11] and represented, or was scheduled to represent them publicly at various events throughout the country;[12][13][14] the organization has since said it does not endorse Macbeth or his accounts of military service.[11] Accounts in Macbeth's name appear on Military.com and Myspace.com, and both were used to post claims about military service in Iraq.[15] On September 21, 2007 Macbeth admitted in federal court that he had faked his war record. U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Sullivan declared that Macbeth had been in the Army for just 44 days and had been kicked out as unfit.[16]

    Contents [hide]
    1 Allegations and other claims
    1.1 PepperSpray Productions video
    1.1.1 Uniform
    1.2 socialistalternative.org interview
    1.3 Eastern Arizona Courier article
    2 Army service and afterwards
    3 Military.com membership
    4 Shadowhart on Myspace.com
    4.1 Military discharge record
    5 In custody
    6 Charge and guilty plea
    7 See also
    8 References
    9 External links

    [edit] Allegations and other claims
    Macbeth alleged the Iraq war atrocities in interviews posted to the Internet as web pages and video. He was featured in the 2006 PepperSpray Productions video, posted at Peacefilms.org, Jessie Macbeth: Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran.[2] A link to the video was posted May 21, 2006 on the community blog Metafilter.[17]

    [edit] PepperSpray Productions video
    The video begins with narration, explaining that Macbeth "...served in Iraq for 16 months before being wounded..."

    Afterward, Macbeth makes the following allegations, (approximate point in the video noted in parentheses):

    He and other U.S. Army Rangers were ordered "...do whatever it takes...to strike fear in the hearts of the Iraqis..." (1:07);
    He and other Rangers routinely executed children as part of the interrogations of their parents (6:15);
    He personally killed almost 200 men, women, and children, many at close range, and most or all noncombatants (7:30);
    He and other Rangers infiltrated a mosque, waited for about 200 worshipers to arrive and pray, slaughtered them with guns, ignited the bodies, hung them from the rafters, wrote anti-muslim graffiti on the walls, and left bodies in the streets in retribution for the March 31, 2004 mutilation, burning, and public display of American contractors' bodies in Fallujah (9:30);
    He and other Rangers shot and killed unarmed protesters and children who threw rocks (12:20);
    He personally killed a mother pleading for mercy, and her three children, including an infant, because he "had to."(16:05);
    At the end of the video, he comments that the mainstream media will not quote him, which is why independent media are necessary so that truth can be disseminated.[2]

    At present, no other known primary sources have described the atrocities that Macbeth describes, all of which are apparent violations of Geneva Conventions.

    The video repeatedly referenced Iraq Veterans Against the War, though the organization later stated that the use of its name was unauthorized.[11] It was removed from the site May 23, 2006 after Army spokesman John Boyce said Macbeth had never been an Army Ranger.[5][6]

    PepperSpray Productions has since issued a retraction statement, noting "when we learned that Macbeth's service records were fraudulent, we immediately pulled the video and are no longer distributing it."[18]

    Transcripts of the video were made in English and Arabic.[4]

    [edit] Uniform

    This photograph of Macbeth was featured in the Pepperspray Productions video, Jessie Macbeth: Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran.
    Macbeth's uniform as worn in the video was inconsistent with Army regulations,[19] and in some cases, inconsistent with his purported identity. Boyce is quoted in Stars and Stripes as saying "There are... numerous wear and appearance issues with the soldier's uniform – a mix of foreign uniforms with the sleeves rolled up like a Marine and a badly floppy tan beret worn like a pastry chef," Stars and Stripes also reported that Macbeth wore his beret with the insignia over the wrong eye.[5] His undershirt is black. The Army wears brown undershirts under their BDUs.


    [edit] socialistalternative.org interview
    Macbeth was quoted in an April 26, 2006 SocialistAlternative.org article as saying "We would leave the bodies in the streets and blame it on the Shi'ites or the Sunnis. [In Fallujah] we were ordered to go into mosques and slaughter people while they were praying." [3]

    Macbeth is also quoted as saying he was "stabbed many times," has shrapnel in his knee, has been shot in the back, and that he has received the Purple Heart. He also says his unit was the 3d Ranger Battalion.[3] The unit did not participate in the U.S. occupation of Fallujah. Macbeth also says he was "picked" for Ranger School.[3] Ranger School students are strictly volunteers.[20]

    The article was replaced May 26, 2006 with a statement rejecting "use of false statements in the mistaken belief that they can in some way strengthen opposition to the war."[21]

    [edit] Eastern Arizona Courier article
    The Eastern Arizona Courier reported on November 3, 2003 that Jesse MacBeth had returned 2 and a half months prior - roughly in late August of 2003, after sustaining a back injury. The article reported that MacBeth had been shot in the back by an M16 rifle while in an Iraqi tunnel, but that a Canadian nurse stitched him up and he continued fighting. (Canada was not a known participant in the Multinational force in Iraq at the time of the article's publication.) The article also says that he planned to attend a hearing that month about a medical discharge from the Army. There was no mention of stabbings or shrapnel in the article.[9]

    [edit] Army service and afterwards
    Macbeth's form DD-214, "Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty" record shows he entered U.S. Army service May 1, 2003 and separated from the Army June 13, 2003, without completing basic training, and with no authorization for decorations, medals, badges, citations or campaign ribbons.[8]

    The first known media report of Macbeth representing himself as an Iraq war veteran was the Eastern Arizona Courier article. An April 6, 2004 Arizona Indymedia article places him at the center of a dispute at a coffee shop near a campus of Arizona State University. Macbeth alleged that he was asked to leave the shop because he was wearing his uniform. The dispute eventually became a protest, covered in articles and editorials by the Arizona State University student newspaper, The State Press. An April 23, 2004 guest editorial attributed to Macbeth also appeared in The State Press about the protest and dispute, noting that he had already spent 16 months in Iraq. (The war's duration was only 13 months then.) The writer also asserted that he was about to be redeployed.

    On September 28, 2004, Macbeth was convicted of fraudulent use of a credit card in Graham County (Arizona) Superior Court. Court records pertaining to the case also indicate parole activity through May of 2006. [22]

    Macbeth joined Iraq Veterans Against the War in January of 2006, and represented, or was scheduled to represent them on several occasions. The group publicly severed ties with Macbeth on May 27, 2006, noting in a statement that "...Jesse is not what he represented himself to be."

    May 23, 2006, Pierce County, Washington Superior Court issues a bench warrant for Jesse Adam Macbeth. Underlying charges of violating a protective court order and fourth degree assault. [23]

    [edit] Military.com membership
    A Military.com user profile for "Jesse a Macbeth" listed among his ribbons a Bronze Star (without a valor device), a Purple Heart, an Army Good Conduct Medal, a National Defense Service Medal, an Army Service Ribbon, and an Overseas Service Ribbon. He also listed among his badges the Ranger tab, the Special Forces tab, two awards of the Combat Infantry Badge (CIB), two awards of the Combat Action Badge (CAB), A Parachutist Badge with three combat service stars, and a marksmanship award.[15]

    Decoration with both the CIB and CAB is possible under certain circumstances, though impossible without switching operational specialities. Decoration with two awards of the CIB is not possible without combat service prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom. Decoration with two awards of the CAB was not possible at the time of the profile's posting.[24] A Parachutist Badge with 3 combat stars is not possible without having served in Operation Desert Storm or an earlier conflict.

    On May 22, 2006, the profile had been updated to remove the decorations, though the profile still asserts service from 2001 to 2005 with the 3rd Battalion, 75th Infantry Regiment, an Army Ranger unit.[15]

    Military.com does not check the identities of any of its users; although the account is associated with Macbeth and features his photograph and mentions an Iraq Veterans Against the War affilitation, it is possible that the account was set up by someone else. The account has been active since 2005. Military.com also does not require proof of military service before professing veteran status. False or misleading statements of fact violate the Military.com user agreement.[25]

    [edit] Shadowhart on Myspace.com
    On March 24, 2006, a MySpace user Shadowhart (with first name Jesse) posted a blog entry describing the alleged atrocities in Iraq. Some of the details of the alleged mosque atrocity are different from the story related in the video.[26]

    Myspace.com does not check the identities of any of its users; although the account has posted a rendition of a military document associated with Macbeth, it is possible that the account was set up by someone else. Impersonation is a violation of Myspace.com terms of service.[27]

    [edit] Military discharge record

    Myspace.com user Shadowhart posted this form DD-214 purported to belong to Jesse Macbeth.On May 26, 2006, Shadowhart uploaded an image, which he purports to be Jesse Macbeth's DD-214, the Department of Defense discharge document which summarizes military service. Critics believe the document to be altered, citing misspellings and other inconsistencies.[28] (listing only a purple heart but no other ribbons or medals including the Army Service Ribbon which is awarded to any one who completes basic training)

    On May 27, 2006, QandO posted what it purports to be Jesse MacBeth's DD-214. The document indicates that MacBeth's discharge was an "entry-level separation."[8][29][30]

    Both documents say Macbeth's last duty station was 2d Battalion, 47th Infantry Regiment, Basic Combat Training Brigade.

    Falsification of a military discharge certificate is a federal offense.[31]


    [edit] In custody
    Jesse Macbeth had a warrant summoned out for him which he was apprehended and booked November 16, 2006[32]. The Pierce County Legal Information Network Exchange lists 2 counts of felony domestic violence court order violation (held on $20,000 cash or bail bonds), 2 counts of assault in the fourth degree ($5,000 cash only bail, as well as being committed to custody) and 2 counts "other concurrent assault in the fourth degree charges", and interfering with the reporting of domestic violence (committed to custody). There were two other charges against Jesse Macbeth were violation of a no contact order and harassment (domestic violence), but were dismissed against him.

    [edit] Charge and guilty plea
    On Friday, May 18 2007, a criminal complaint was unsealed in the United States District Court in Seattle, Washington, charging Macbeth with one count of using or possessing a forged or altered military discharge certificate and one count of making false statements in seeking benefits from the Veterans Administration.[33] The complaint alleged that Macbeth posed as an Iraq war veteran and illicitly collected more than $10,400 in benefits.

    On June 7, 2007, Macbeth pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs.[34] MacBeth was sentenced September 21, 2007, to 5 months in jail and three years probation.[35]

    [edit] See also
    Paul H. Lemmen
    Walter K. Carlson
    Terry J. Powell

    [edit] References
    ^ http://www.cosc.co.pima.az.us/record_search/casesearch.asp?casenum=C234837 Jesse Macbeth 1986 name change record at Pima County (Arizona) Clerk's office
    ^ a b c http://www.peacefilms.org/index.html "Jessie Macbeth: Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran" video, peacefilms.org, retrieved May 23, 2006 (inactive as of May 24, 2006)
    ^ a b c d http://www.socialistalternative.org/news/article13.php?id=261 "The War the Media is Not Reporting — An Iraqi Veteran Speaks Out" by Justice, SocialistAlternative.org, April 26, 2006, retrieved May 23, 2006 (replaced with statement rejecting false statements May 26, 2006)
    ^ a b http://abutamam.blogspot.com/2006/05/by-my-hands-alone-i-took-out-200.html "By my hands alone, I took out 201 people" by Imad Khadduri, Free Iraq, May 27, 2006, retrieved June 1, 2006
    ^ a b c http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=36627&archive=true "Man who bragged of murdering Iraqis debunked by Army", by Jeff Schogol, Stars & Stripes, May 28, 2006, retrieved May 30, 2006
    ^ a b http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20060526-093023-5234r.htm "Fake Soldier Tale Debunked" by Michelle Malkin, The Washington Times, May 27, 2006.
    ^ http://www.usapa.army.mil/pdffiles/r635_200.pdf "Army Regulation 635-200, Enlisted Separations (Discharges)"
    ^ a b c http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3957 "Jesse Macbeth's -real- DD-214" by McQ, QandO.net, May 27, 2006, retrieved May 30, 2006
    ^ a b http://www.eacourier.com/articles/2003/11/03/news/news02.txt "Soldier struggles with memories of Iraqi war" by Pam Crandall, Eastern Arizona Courier, Nov. 3, 2003 (subscription required)
    ^ http://arizona.indymedia.org/mail.php?id=17198 "Coffee Plantation Refuses Service to Black Veteran" by Free to Camp Coalition, Arizona Indymedia, April 6, 2004, retrieved May 24, 2006
    ^ a b c http://www.ivaw.net/index.php?id=219 "Statement on Macbeth Video", Iraq Veterans Against the War, retrieved June 2, 2006
    ^ http://dyingwarriors.blogspot.com/2006/03/iraq-veterans-against-war-lead-off-3rd.html photo of Macbeth carrying Iraq Veterans Against the War banner by Lietta Ruger, Dying to Preserve the Lies, March 21, 2006, retrieved May 23, 2006
    ^ http://dyingwarriors.blogspot.com/2006/03/iraqafghanistan-third-anniversary.html Photo of Macbeth at microphone at subsequent rally, by Lietta Ruger, Dying to Preserve the Lies, March 21, 2006, retrieved May 23, 2006
    ^ http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/10339 "Halliburton on the Run! Post Rally Event", by davidswanson, AfterDowningStreet.org, May 13, 2006, retrieved May 24, 2006
    ^ a b c http://hotair.com/archives/top-picks/2006/05/22/anti-war-video-bogus/ "Anti-war video bogus?" by AllahPundit, Hot Air, retrieved May 24, 2006
    ^ Brian Ross and Vic Walter (September 21, 2007). Anti-War YouTube 'Vet' Admits He Is Faker. ABC News. Retrieved on 2007-09-22.
    ^ Cite error 8; No text given.
    ^ http://peppersp.server312.com/Macbeth_retraction.htm?name=home "PepperSpray Productions' Retraction Statement for our Video "Jesse Macbeth: An Iraq Veteran Speaks Out", retrieved June 1, 2006
    ^ http://www.usapa.army.mil/pdffiles/r670_1.pdf "Army Regulation 670-1 - Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia"
    ^ http://www.goarmy.com/ranger/index.jsp "75th Ranger Regiment: Overview", goarmy.com, retrieved June 2, 2006
    ^ http://www.socialistalternative.org/news/article13.php?id=261 "Statement on Jesse MacBeth interview in Justice" SocialistAlternative.org, May 26, 2006, retrieved June 2, 2006
    ^ http://www.supreme.state.az.us/publicaccess/notification/search.asp Supreme Court of Arizona Public Access to Court Information (Search "Jesse Macbeth")
    ^ http://www.co.pierce.wa.us/cfapps/linx/calendar/GetCriminalCase.cfm?cause_num=06-1-01994-8 Pierce County Superior Court Criminal Case 06-1-01994-8
    ^ http://www.army.mil/symbols/combatbadges/ "U.S. Army Combat Badges", retrieved June 2, 2006
    ^ http://www.military.com/AboutUs/More/1,14822,User_Agreement,00.html Military.com User Agreement, retrieved June 2, 2006
    ^ Cite error 8; No text given.
    ^ http://collect.myspace.com/misc/terms.html?z=1 Myspace.com Terms of Use Agreement, retrieved June 2, 2006
    ^ http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005273.htm "Another Jesse Macbeth Puzzle" by Michelle Malkin, Michelle Malkin, May 26, 2006, retrieved June 2, 2006
    ^ "Jesse Macbeth's -real- DD-214" by McQ, QandO, May 27, 2006, retrieved May 30, 2006
    ^ "Jesse Macbeth's -real- DD-214" by McQ, QandO, May 27, 2006, retrieved May 30, 2006
    ^ http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+18USC498 U.S. Code, Title 18, part I, chapter 25, section 498, retrieved June 2, 2006
    ^ http://www.co.pierce.wa.us/cfapps/linx/calendar/GetBooking.cfm?booking_id=2006319064 Pierce County Corrections Booking 2006319064, retrieved January 2, 2007
    ^ Army Times - Man charged with falsifying military record
    ^ Seattle Times - Man who lied about actions in Iraq admits faking forms
    ^ Seattle Post Intellegencer - Poster soldier for anti-war movement was a fake

    [edit] External links
    Mirrored edition of the original video Wizbang
    'Ranger' who boasted of murdering Iraqi civilians debunked by Army, WorldNetDaily, May 27th, 2006
    Ranger School Class Photos
    "Coffee Plantation: what's the story", Arizona Indymedia
    NAME Macbeth, Jesse Adam
    ALTERNATIVE NAMES Macbeth, Jessie (reported spelling); MacBeth, Jesse (reported spelling); Al-Zaid, Jesse Adam (birth name).
    SHORT DESCRIPTION Veteran impostor
    DATE OF BIRTH March 21, 1984

    Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth"
    Categories: American anti-war activists | Impostors | Living people | 1984 births
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    There seem to be a lot of pretenders these days. Lots of times they get outed, and attitude adjustments made in back rooms by non-pretenders, so I'm told. [beer]
  3. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Yup I would hate to be him .....
  4. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Never heard of him... He make news somehow?
    Both parties seem to love to have poser poster children. Kerry had his swiftboat BS and Bush had Jessica Lynch and Tillman...

    WE NEED TO STOP THINKING IN REPUB OR DEM AND LIB OR CONSERVATIVE and get together. Colt used to have as a sig, United we Stand, Divided we Fall. You who still follow the polar opposites mindspeak are being used. Wake up. please.
  5. ricdoug

    ricdoug Monkey+++

    Macbeth is the "Soldier" a "Party" is currently attempting to attack Rush Limbaugh on. While I listen to Rush, for entertainment purposes, this "Party" has put a lot of faith into the testimony of this "Soldier".

    If You're following the News, You've seen a "Party" dancing to cover up this blunder by attacking Rush's view of the Military. Rush loves the Military. Watch the Youtube video and listen to what he said. Ric
  6. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Thanks I just don't get that wrapped up in "Parties" of either flavor.
    People who become followers of a "Party" tend to stop thinking for themselves.
    So news like this, which is a party war, does not affect the "Partiless", like me.

    I know it is sooooo easy for Republicans to call me a Lib and Democrats to call me a NEO... I just opt out of the whole fricken mess and follow my OWN beliefs.

    This is a silly story. It has no bearing on me, my country or my world. This proves my point. It matters to LIBS and to RUSH. I'm neither so I can sit here and drink a heineken in total peace. I know that must bug the shit out of you. Sorry.
  7. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    You would, or maybe wouldn't, be surprised at how many "Vietnam Vets" I have run across, who, after a little math, would have had to drop out of grade school to enlist.

    I don't care about the current rage over Rush. Much like Melbo I really don't care. Much more important things happening in this world to worry about these smoke and mirror stories.

    But that said, I find it reprehensible for anyone to lay claim to honors that only our military men and women deserve.

    Whether I agree with their mission or not, I respect and honor them for their service and sacrifice.
  8. AlterEgo

    AlterEgo Monkey+++


    I'm with you on this one melbo.

    RL the blowhard, overweight, drug addict who never seen the inside of a military base trying to tell a Nam Vet how to vote.

    Now the dimwit-o-crats ain't much better.

    Leave me alone, is all I ask.

  9. hartage

    hartage Monkey+++

    RL.... overweight drug addict. He does not have the dicipline to keep his own house (his body) in order. How can anybody take him seriously ? What a joke. Someone tell him to fix himself first before he spouts out more grand plans to fix everyone else's ills.
  10. FalconDance

    FalconDance Neighborhood Witch

    :nods at MM: Yep, we have a local who claims all sorts of stuff about his tours of 'Nam -- but he'd have been a very precocious kindergartener or so (actually, I think it's younger but giving the benefit of a doubt ;))

    Some people are just sooooo full of shit, you could manure the whole garden and have plenty for the neighbor's.
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