LIGHTS FOR CCW AND LAW ENFORCEMENT

Discussion in 'Functional Gear & Equipment' started by watchmaker, Nov 5, 2007.


  1. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Thanx. Streamlight just went off my list.
    [boozingbuddies]
     
  2. watchmaker

    watchmaker Monkey+++

    IR lenses cost a bundle and cheap lights don't offer that option.
    You are forced to go with Surefire (6PL) and buy the IR from their web site.

    Try the Malkoff devices 260 lumens lamp in that 6PL for a really intense light.

    Cheers
    Watchmaker
     
  3. watchmaker

    watchmaker Monkey+++

    REMOTE SWITCHES
    WITH PRESSURE PAD
    Hi guys,
    I have been using remote switches in my tactical lights that are mounted in rifles, shotguns, and bows, for quite a few years now.
    The most effective of them are the ones with a direct connection to the solder pad that touch the battery (no spring), like the ones in the TACM III tactical lights.
    The reason that they are more effective is that they don’t rob the system of any voltage (in the way of internal resistance) as do the ones with heavy springs.

    Internal resistance is the name of the game, some of them, for example the TAC STAR pressure switch, can really make a bright lamp like the P-60, looks dim and murky, due to too much internal resistance in the design of the tail cap.

    THE TAC STAR REMOTE SWITCH

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    A good one that I have used for years in mounting lights on my friends’ bows and rifles, is the G&P tail cap with remote. Its design is quite good and the internal resistance is low, but it is not designed for pump shotguns as the cord is just straight and not curly.

    THE G&P REMOTE SWITCH

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    A very good one that I discovered recently is the Aimshot curly cord remote, the spring is copper and quite light and it seems to have very low internal resistance.
    I discovered the Aimshot in Cheaper Than Dirt catalogue and at a very good price ($14.97) and it has become my favorite.
    I just used one in a Pelican M-6 tactical light and mounted it using a UTG Tri rail mount in an AK rifle, it does the job well.

    THE AIMSHOT REMOTE SWITCH

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    Cheers
    Watchmaker



     
  4. watchmaker

    watchmaker Monkey+++

    THE 200 LUMENS BATTLE
    There are now a number of aftermarket lamps for the popular series of Surefire lights.
    They will fit the Surefires series: 6P, C, Z, D, G, and maybe others.

    I just received a new one that claims 290 lumens and is called a Cree R-2 (it’s supposed to be even more powerful than the Cree Q-5).
    I decided to do a shoot out with an assortment of lights that I have in the 200 plus lumens class. That way the members can see how they perform against each other.

    Run time was not measured for lack of time and because I am running short on 123’s batteries. The bigger lights, namely the Surefire M-4 with the MN60 lamp (225 lumens for 60 minutes on four 123’s disposable batteries) and the Bear Cub from Black Bear Flashlights (220 lumens for 90 minutes on rechargeable Li Ion batteries) are big throwers and with them you can see clearly objects 120 and 150 yards away.

    On the other hand the small reflectors of the Surefires G-2, Centurion 2 and Fenix T-1 are dispersing all those lumens close by, creating a great flood.
    Those pocket lights will be great to use as tactical lights by law enforcement personnel, and especially good at clearing houses, while the Surefire M-4 and the Bear Cub will make great lights for car, truck and the open spaces.

    The literature of the Fenix states that it’s good for 200 yards, it will probably make a reflective target like a stop sign glow at that distance, but it would hardly illuminate any other object. My perception from trials I made, is that this light as well as the others LED’s can’t be count to illuminate (poorly) objects beyond 60/70 yards.


    In any case, a lamp upgrade if you own a Surefire pocket light, is a good idea as any of them are more powerful than the stock incandescent lamp of 65 lumens or the stock LED lamp of 80 lumens.


    The lights as they appear in the picture are, from left to right:


    Surefire M-4 MN60 lamp 225 lumens for 1 hour (running on four 123’s batteries)
    Bear Cub 220 lumens for 90 minutes, rechargeable
    Surefire G-2 in yellow. It is 65 lumens for one hour with the stock P-60 lamp
    Surefire G-2 in black, Lumen Factory lamp incandescent of 160 lumens
    Surefire G-2 in green, Cree Q-5 by Deal Xtreme, 200 lumens
    Surefire Centurion 2 in Jungle Camo, 290 lumens (claimed) with the Cree R-2 lamp
    Fenix T-1, 225 lumens using a Cree Q-5 lamp

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    And now the pictures, target is 20 yards away, watch also the amount of side spill as well as the throw.

    SUREFIRE M-4 DESVASTATOR 225 LUMENS

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    BEAR CUB RECHARGEABLE 220 LUMENS

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    SUREFIRE G-2 YELLOW 65 LUMENS

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    SUREFIRE G-2 BLACK LUMENS FACTORY 160 LUMENS LAMP

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    SUREFIRE G-2 GREEN, DEAL XTREME LAMP CREE Q-5 200 LUMENS

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    SUREFIRE CENTURION 2, CREE R-2 290 LUMENS (CLAIMED)

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    FENIX T-1 CREE Q-5 225 LUMENS

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    One word of caution with high intensity LED lights: most are not thermally regulated and they will suffer from their own heat if used for an extended period. They will get very hot and the tint will change. Short use of 5 minutes or less is recommended, especially in lights like the G-2 that has a plastic body and head.

    All metal flashlights like the Surefire 6P are better at dissipating the heat, and in them a few more minutes of constant use can be achieved before the heat will damage the module.
    The big heavy head of the Fenix acts as a heat sink, and this light can manage to run much longer without the heat affecting the module.

    Besides, the Fenix has a second setting that will run the light at 60 lumens for 10 hours.
    So, if you already have a Surefire you want to upgrade, the aftermarkets lamps are great.
    If you need a new light look at the Fenix line.

    If you need a truck, open spaces light, the Bear Cub is a great value as it is rechargeable and very bright as well as a 150 yards thrower.

    Cheers
    Watchmaker
     
  5. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Watchmaker Im glad you made it, welcome aboard.
     
  6. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    Hey Watchmaker, Do post on other forums online? Maybe Under diffferent Handles?
     
  7. watchmaker

    watchmaker Monkey+++


    Yes, I am known in the major forums in which I have posted for the last five years, as Black Bear.

    Watchmaker/Black Bear
     
  8. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    ooohhhh okay, Was wondering if someone had stolen your posts for the Canadian Gun nutz forum.
    Cool
     
  9. watchmaker

    watchmaker Monkey+++

    Merry Christmas to all
     
  10. watchmaker

    watchmaker Monkey+++

    TERRALUX LIGHTSTAR 220
    FLASHLIGHT
    For the last two months, I have been using one of the Terralux Lightstar 220 lumens flashlights, which runs on two AA batteries.
    This light has two settings on the click-tail cap; the first setting clicks on the light and emits 220 lumens for 1.5 hours.
    The second setting of 100 lumens for 6 hours is accessed by softly pressing the rubber button switch.

    The LED is a Cree RXE Q-4 and is controlled by a microprocessor for a constant light output. When battery juice is running low, the LED will flicker to let you know that is time for new batteries.
    The unit comes with two Energizer AA batteries, a lanyard and a soft nylon holster. At an even six inches long, the light is quite portable and also features a clip to attach it to your belt or waistband.

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    It is very similar to the popular 3 watt 80 lumens Ray-O-Vac Sportsman Xtreme (but is slightly longer as the click tail cap needs more room for the mechanism), and the head is smaller with a small orange peel reflector.

    Due to the small reflector the beam throws quite a flood despite the 220 lumens figure. Small reflectors don’t really have much throw no matter how many lumens you make the light puts out. However, it is quite adequate for most chores inside a house and practical, too, for walking the dog or a walk in the woods.

    LIGHTSTAR AT 20 YARDS WITH THE 220 LUMENS

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    LIGHTSTAR WITH THE 100 LUMENS SETTING

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    The really nice thing about these lights are that they are very inexpensive to feed as they use common AA batteries. As I use rechargeable AA batteries in all my lights, it is even more inexpensive to use.
    The dark green anodized body is quite resistant to scratches as the light is still like new even after a couple months of sharing my pocket with keys and coins.

    Cost of the light varies depending where you buy it, but it is around $35 to $40 USD; your best bet is to Google it to see who has a special on it.
    I like this light to the point of recommending it to anybody that is looking for a light with these characteristics. The light is as good as the Ray-O-Vac Sportsman with the added power of the 220 lumen setting.
    Cheers.
    Watchmaker



     
  11. watchmaker

    watchmaker Monkey+++

    WHEN A LUMEN IS NOT A LUMEN
    A lumen is not a lumen when somebody intends to throw a big bunch of them out of a small reflector the size of a dime or nickel. At least it seems to be that way.
    It used to be easy to tell the power of a light by the lumens figure, not anymore. You could be an experience user of lights, say a policeman that had used for years a 200 lumens Magchager and is well acquainted with its capabilities. Now he reads about this small light the size of a thumb that also outputs 200 lumens and is all excited to get the new marvel.
    He does and is promptly disappointed because the small light seems to throw a good amount of light, but all close by, and is nothing that can compare with his duty Magcharger that can illuminate objects at 100 yards.

    Besides emitters in the 200 lumens bracket can kill themselves with the heat that they produce when they are used in small lights with poor heat sinking. It is mostly a novelty thing and it should be used with caution. Some of them come in lights with multiple settings, and that is fine when the literature advice you to use the 200 lumens sparingly, and you follow that advice.

    To illustrate the point, here are a couple of pictures of beam shots at 20 yards, you can clearly see the superiority of the Bear Cub (reflector size 2”) over the Lightstar 220, (reflector the size of a dime) even when both lights are rated at 220 lumens.

    LIGHTSTAR 220 LUMENS AT 20 YARDS

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    BEAR CUB 220 LUMENS AT 20 YARDS

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    Some manufacturers wishing to quote big numbers are now putting clusters of these small reflectors on duty size flashlights. Mind you these clusters that are from three to four are still all small reflectors with limited throw.
    So, somebody putting a cluster of four reflectors in a big head can claim 800 lumens, but you know better now, knowing that those 200 lumens for each reflector are not really behaving like real lumens!

    Unfortunately I don’t have one of those lights to prove the point. But I can get my own cluster of lights in the 200 lumens bracket, and demonstrate by picture what can you expect.
    I have here two of the Lightstar220 lumens, plus a Fenix P3D of 205 lumens and an Ultra Fire with Rebel emitter of 200 lumens, all of which together in a cluster will throw the figure of 845 lumens.
    The opposite number is a Black Bear 720 lumens flashlight, a light that is 10” long and weights 24 oz. and uses a 2” reflector that can throw several hundred of yards with a strong white light.

    HERE IS THE PICTURE OF THE CONTENDERS

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    The distance for both beam shots is in this case 35 yards to the target (The no trespassing sign tacked in the tree). The camera is 20 yards from the target.

    CLUSTER OF REFLECTORS 845 LUMENS

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    BLACK BEAR 720 LUMENS ONE REFLECTOR 2”

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    Observe how the beam of the 720 lumens light travels beyond the range of the cluster lights, illuminating objects that the cluster lights are not capable of showing.
    So, if you are in the market for a new light, this use of small reflectors in clusters to boost lumens figures is something you should be aware off.

    Cheers

    Watchmaker

     
  12. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Excellent comparo. It would be interesting to know the wattage of the bulbs and the equivalent diameter of the cluster reflectors compared to the single.
     
  13. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    Watchmaker,

    Have you looked at a Surefire M951? Any opinion on it?
     
  14. watchmaker

    watchmaker Monkey+++

    If you reffer to this light
    http://www.tactical-store.com/ts-fs-fl-m951xm07.html

    I think that we can do better now. The Fenix TK-11 is available with an optional tail cap remote, and can be mounted with a 1" scope ring on Picatinny rails or Weaver bases.

    The TK-10 or the TK-11 will run for 10 hours in the 60 lumens setting or for 1.5 hours with the 225 lumens setting.
    The light cost about $80 plus about $22 for the tail cap remote.

    The Surefire 951 uses 65 and 120 lumens lamps.

    Here is a picture of my Fenix

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    The TK-11 will accept 18650 rechargeable batteries and the Ultra Fire charger is also available.

    Cheers
    Watchmaker
     
  15. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    Yes the link is the one.

    Thanks Watch
     
  16. watchmaker

    watchmaker Monkey+++

    NEW BULB FOR THE BOREALIS FLASHLIGHT
    750 LUMENS FOR 75 MINUTES
    As you may know the Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight is the most powerful military/police flashlight in use today.
    The Borealis will make 1050 lumens for 50 minutes on rechargeable batteries. Now a new bulb is available which will run the light for 75 minutes with a drop of only 300 lumens.

    Lights in use by police today are the Magcharger, the Stingers, the SL 20 up to 200 lumens, the Ultra Stinger-295 lumens, the Pelican 7060-135 lumens, and the Fenix TK series up to 240 lumens.
    Military forces use a variety of Surefires as weapon lights with 120 lumens and hand held like the Surefire M-4, 350 lumens and the Surefire M-6 at 500 lumens.
    So, the above statement of the Borealis been the most powerful is not an exaggeration, many are been used daily by police and many are doing tour of duty in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    What the new bulb does is extend the run time to 75 minutes without reducing drastically the output.
    As no other duty flashlight with the same lumens is available, I decided to conduct a shoot out against a big two million candlepower spotlight, the one at hand was an almost new Brikmann Q beam Max million II (two million candlepower) with a reflector of five inches wide and a big bulb of 75 watt.
    All this in competition to a bean sized 30 watt bulb and two inch reflector of the Borealis.

    DAVID AND GOLIATH

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    FIVE INCH VERSUS TWO INCH

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    This particular Borealis has a Light Stippled reflector, a reflector designed to give a good balance between flood and throw, but given the semi custom character of the Borealis three other reflectors are available, smooth for maximum throw, orange peel for just a little less throw but more flood (also called side spill) and a medium stippled reflector designed for a big flood but with the range limited to 100 yards.

    As the night was bitterly cold I decided to take the pictures and shoot the beams right out of my second story kitchen window, with the short tripod legs resting in the kitchen sink.
    The target is the white and blue cabana which is the second building in the picture after the fence.
    The target is 74 yards from my window, with back trees as much as 85 yards (they are still visible with both lights).
    Due to the big reflector in the spot light, the beam is concentrated in the center of the picture and illumination from the side spill is not as great as it is with the Borealis 750 lumens bulb.
    Observe both pictures and you will see more area illuminated by the Borealis 750 lumens bulb, than is illuminated by the two million candlepower spotlight.
    Still the intensity of both beams is similar at the center of the target area.

    Q-BEAM MAX TWO MILLION

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    BOREALIS 750 LUMENS 75 MINUTES BULB

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    In conclusion the new Borealis bulb of 750 lumens is worthy for those that will want a run time of 75 minutes. Even after loosing 300 lumens the Borealis still is the most powerful flashlight used by the police and the military.

    The light can be ordered with the 1050 lumens bulb installed and the spare as the 750 lumens or vice-versa. You can also order the reflector most appropriate for you work, the only light in the Industry that offers you a choice of four reflectors.

    Cheers.
    Watchmaker






     
  17. miestro_jerry

    miestro_jerry Monkey++

    In the dark, I shoot FBI style with my flash light in my left hand, being held out at arms length on my left side, with my pistol in my right hand in front of me.

    At the moment, I use a 3 cell mag lite, but that mag lite can be like the proverbial bucket of sand that military recruits have to hold out as training, strength building and punishment, it can get heavy.

    So I am looking for a Sure Fire or similar light weight and hi lum flashlight.

    Jerry
     
  18. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Were I to use the FBI techniques, I would modify to hold the light at arm's length overhead. Giving credit where credit might not be due, a perp might guess you are righthanded and apply some Kaintuck windage. Bear in mind that this technique works ONLY when there is NO ambient light that will reveal your silhouette or location and remember to stay behind the light cone cast by yard floodlights. If you have to be in any ambient light at all, you might as well have a bright small light mounted on the gun and/or a laser sight that you can put in the perp's eyes that will get his attention as well as make him not see so well. Flashlights are great for search, but suck for destroy.
     
  19. watchmaker

    watchmaker Monkey+++

    obsolete​
     
  20. watchmaker

    watchmaker Monkey+++

    THE BEAR CUB
    SMALL LIGHT BIG PERFORMANCE
    Not long ago to get magnum illumination out of a flashlight, I had to drop down the tube, six of the big D batteries on a Maglite 6 D size.
    That the light weights three pounds one ounce and measures 19 ½ inches was just incidental to the use if I wanted to get a really good, powerful beam.

    Later Surefire come up with small lights that could take two and three or four small but powerful 123’s camera batteries, some of those lights, come up and surpass the 181 lumens of the big Maglite 6 D.
    I am thinking now of the specialty tactical light than Surefire have as the M-4 that uses four of the 123 batteries for 225 lumens for one hour run time. The M-4 was made famous by been used in the CSI Las Vegas series.
    Incidentally the M-4 is not precisely inexpensive, costing $330 USD from Surefire or their dealers.

    The only problem is that the little 3 volts batteries are quite expensive, and using four of them for one hour run time can cost you $8.00 for that hour.
    And that is if you buy them at discount over the Internet, when purchased in the camera stores (such as Wal Mart) the little 3 volts batteries cost as much as $4 each.

    So a light of the size of the Surefire M-4 (9 inches long) was highly desired if it could be made to run on rechargeable batteries, to avoid the big battery expense of the M-4.

    Enter the Bear Cub, a nine inches light, with a 13 oz. weight that is rechargeable and uses Lithium Ion batteries.
    This little light makes 220 lumens for 90 minutes of run time, and then recharges its two batteries with a fast charger that is included, in three and a half hours.
    The Lithium Ion batteries can be recharged up to 1,000 times and when they eventually get depleted can be replaced with $30.

    HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE BEAR CUB LIGHT, NEXT TO THE SUREFIRE M-4.

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    AND HERE NEXT TO THE MAGLITE 6 D

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    And here a couple of beam shots at 26 yards for comparison.

    MAGLITE 6 D

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    BEAR CUB

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    Yes the little rechargeable Bear Cub is characterized for an intense white light, and a run time of 90 minutes, all in a small size that can fit in any glove compartment or trench coat pocket.
    Best wishes
    Watchmaker


     
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