Lights Out, Lessons Learned

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by STANGF150, Sep 1, 2011.


  1. STANGF150

    STANGF150 Knowledge Seeker

    I'm currently reading my copy of Lights Out by David Crawford aka: Halfast for either the 5th or 6th time since I got it. Each time I read it I learn something new or figure out something I didn't before. I was wondering what anyone else has learned from it as well. This last time reading it I learned/figured out..

    1. If you are a Family Unit then like Mark & Jim in the book, its best to be a Two Family Unit. That way if something happens to the Adult Male of one Family Unit, that Family Unit can still be taken care of by the Adult Male of the other Family Unit.

    2. I'm ordering Night Sights for at least one my AR-15s very soon. As in the book they didn't realize until too late about fighting in the dark.

    So, what has everybody else learned from the book?
     
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  2. bassic

    bassic Monkey+

    Know your neighbors...well.
    Have lots of ammo.
    Get friendly with Gunny.
    Have barter materials.
    Have an older vehicle? Keep it in good running condition, and have some spare ignition parts.
     
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  3. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Be ready. Have plans (plural). Know routes (run them). Have more firepower than anything you may encounter. Be ready.
    Read his work several yrs ago and a couple times since. Try this: The Long Road Home. It is well researched and I know the author well. It is in the list following about half way down under "long way home". There is an old movie named "Trigger Effect" that you will find interesting. This list is from a previous post:


    Here's a list of what's in Collected works:
    1. 3 Amigos in Iowa = T.O.M.
    2. 3 Amigos Ride Again = T.O.M.
    3. 4th of July Surprise = fleataxi
    4. 60 Days Next Year = C.Haynes (posted by Rasputin)
    5. A Babe in the Woods = ur
    6. A Boy and His Dog = GhostTiger
    7. A Brave New World = T.O.M.
    8. After the Big One = T.O.M.
    9. After the Fall = TM456
    10. Al Qaida = T.O.M.
    11. Alea Jacta Est = Viking Rader
    12. All About the Weather = T.O.M.
    13. All Rise Up = Destro
    14. Allakatet Airlines = fleataxi
    15. An Alternative 9-11 = Capt Ret
    16. And They Served Again = packingup
    17. Apocalypse Chimp, The = CAV1
    18. Apprentice = BCE
    19. Ark I, The = T.O.M.
    20. Ark II, The = T.O.M.
    21. Arm Chair Survivalist, The = T.O.M.
    22. Association, The = GrayBear
    23. Back to Basics = fleataxi
    24. Battle of the Jakes, The = various
    25. Big John = T.O.M.
    26. Billy = SharpSquirrelKM
    27. Bugged in - in Elko = fleataxi
    28. Camelot = Eagle
    29. Castaways, The = fleataxi
    30. Castle, The = Eagle
    31. Chaparral Challenge = Old Bear
    32. Charlottesville = Nan Randal (posted by Hollow Poing)
    33. Trades People, The = Jerry D Young
    34. Cold Camp = Willard
    35. Day Houston Fell, The = Jwolf
    36. Days of Reckoning, The = HunterPatriot76
    37. Debt, The = Whisper
    38. Deep Winter = tsherry
    39. Diary, The = p3
    40. Direction Home = Rock Bottom
    41. Do Over = Kabel
    42. Do With What You Have = Rhino
    43. Doing Freedom = Nathan Barton (posted by Hollow Poing)
    44. Domestic Enemies = Travis McGee
    45. Down and Out on L-5 Prime = Desert Doc
    46. Downward Spiral = Citizen Zero
    47. Drifting = Wraith
    48. Elko County Chicken Wars = Nevada Cowboy
    49. End of Days, The = Thystlemoon
    50. End of it All, The = Metalryder
    51. End of the Revolution = Pops
    52. End, The = Warchild
    53. Enemy Within, The = Iron Pig
    54. Escape from the Rat Race = fleataxi
    55. Fed-up = SAR-1guy
    56. Fighting Back = wwglen
    57. Financial Dominoes = Gray Bear
    58. Founders, The = Gray Bear
    59. Four Horsemen of the Post Apocalypse, The = Green
    60. Freemen, The = CD2
    61. Gathering Darkness, The = Four Deuce
    62. Give Me Liberty = IceWaveIV
    63. Giving, The = stimpy117
    64. Grandma Betsy’s Sewing Circle = ???? – (lost in the ether world)
    65. Green and Pleasant Land = MichaelUK
    66. Have Gun Will Travel = T.O.M.
    67. Hide, The = Eagle
    68. Holbrook = T.O.M.
    69. Hunter, The = T.O.M.
    70. If Happened = kenowee
    71. Irish Fury = Irish Jaeger
    72. It Happened = Kenowee
    73. Just Another Day = FourDeuce
    74. Kepeluan = Travis McGee
    75. Kids are Alright, The = fleataxi
    76. Lager Belt = Magister
    77. Last Outpost, The = fleataxi
    78. Learning Curve, The = Wulfpak77
    79. Letters from beyond the Apocalypse = Desert Doc
    80. Lights Out = Halffast
    81. Loner, The = T.O.M.
    82. Long Rifles = Rambler
    83. Long Rifles, The = Rambler
    84. Long Road Home, The = puternut
    85. Lost = Big T
    86. Lost in Alabama = LostinBama
    87. Lost in the Sierras = fleataxi
    88. Making Tracks in the Moonlight = farranger
    89. Mark, The = Big Man
    90. Medicine Man = Call
    91. Mighty .17, The = Vepr
    92. Mime, The = NVCowboy
    93. Mine, The = fleataxi
    94. Mountain Home = Christian For Israel
    95. Mountain Man = T.O.M.
    96. Nightfall = Fuchi
    97. North to Alaska = fleataxi
    98. Northern Eclipse = jeber431
    99. Old Man, The = Old Bear
    100. On The Cheap = T.O.M.
    101. One Last Job = Bad Karma
    102. One Last Job = Bad Karma
    103. Only in America = T.O.M.
    104. Opening Day = bugcruncher
    105. Over The Hill = Spyda
    106. Patriot Day = RR
    107. Pax Americana = Desert Doc
    108. Pocket Full of Shells = Code Red
    109. Preparations = T.O.M.
    110. Preparations II = T.O.M.
    111. Preparations III = T.O.M.
    112. Quest-1 baby, The = puternut
    113. Rabbit = Rambler
    114. Raid, The = Travis McGee
    115. Ramble On = BobBonnet
    116. Reap the Whirlwind = Devilen
    117. Reapers, The = Kable
    118. Redress = Josh
    119. Reluctant Survivalist, The = fleataxi
    120. Roaring 2120’s, The = Green
    121. Rock River volume 2 = Wraith
    122. Rock, The = T.O.M.
    123. Ronin in Chaos = pe
    124. Saving America = jmurman
    125. Serious Disagreements = archy
    126. Seven Cities = p7psp
    127. Shake-n-Bake = fleataxi
    128. Short Road Home = wwglen
    129. Silent Days = p3
    130. Siskiyou Islands = Siskiyoumom
    131. Skyfall = Jujen Kai
    132. Soft Footsteps = cmason
    133. Sorry = mssgn
    134. Sorry Your On Your Own – part 2 = mssgn
    135. Southern Tide = Irish Jaeger
    136. Spacefarers: The Endless Frontier = slimjim
    137. Start of Rock Rivers Idea – year 2012, The = Aries
    138. Storm Dawn = Destro
    139. Striking Back = John
    140. Sunset at Coffin Rock = mssgn
    141. Survival = Kernalpanic
    142. Survivalist, The = T.O.M.
    143. TEOTWAWKI = fleataxi
    144. TEOTWAWKI II = fleataxi
    145. The Gordian Knot = T.O.M.
    146. The Unprepared = T.O.M.
    147. Things Change = Unknown1
    148. To Build a Land = Gray Bear
    149. To Reclaim Our Future = Destro
    150 Tomorrow = mssgn
    151. UN Day = fleataxi
    152. Urban Domino = Jefferson’s Ranger
    153. Venganza del Sol = spudgunr
    154. Wave, The = panxerox
    155. Window War = ???? (lost in the ether world
    156. Winds of Change = Old Bear
    157. Working Draft = mssgn
    158. Letters From Beyond the Apocalypse = Desert Doc
    159. Rivercane Arrow = kenowee
    160. The Cow Battles = LowDown3
    161. The Recapture of St.George = TheStorerFromTheUK
    162. A Time Since Passed = T.O.M.
    163. Aztlan Invasion = fleataxi
    164. A Present Time = T.O.M.
    165. A Time Since Passed-PartII = TOM
    166. Seven Days = GrayBear
    167. A Present Time = T.O.M.
    168. Law of the Land = Gray Bear
    169. The Vigilante = fleataxi
    170. Guys and Dolls
    171. Ring of Fire = KellyQ
    172. Bugsie = fleataxi
    173. Dateline August 2007 = 44North
    174. Summer of Our Discontent = Destro
    175. The Troublemaker = Jmurman
    176. Downgrade = Jefferson's Ranger
    177. Title 18 = T.O.M.
    178. Route 666 = fleataxi
    179. The Rifleman = T.O.M.
    180. The Big One II = fleataxi
    181. The Big One = T.O.M.
    182. The Cold War = T.O.M.
    183. The Castaway's II = fleataxi
    184. The Rifleman Part II - Charlie = T.O.M.
    185. The Wall = Chilli
    186. The Wave-Flotsom = panxerox
    187. Bug Out! = Jerry D Young
    188. Skills Put Away = larry_minn
    189. Percy's Mission = Jerry D Young
    190. The Long, Slwo Slide = dissimulo
    191. TEOTWAWKI, Too! = T.O.M.
    192. Joy's Legacy = JoyFilled
    193. Summer Vacation = jeber431
    194. Dark Ending = HuntingWolf
    195. Don Quixote de Palmdale = fleataxi
    196. The Long Trek Home = nightfighter4d
    197. Awakened = Destro
    198. TEOTWAWKI, Too! - Part II = T.O.M.
    199. TEOTWAWKI, Too! - Part III = T.O.M.
    200. Oh Crap! = kernalpanic
    201. Bugging Home = Jerry D Young
    202. Brothers In Arms = Dialtone
    203. One In A Thousand = Roost
    204. Tearing It Down = itgoesboom
    205. Paradise = Flight-ER-Doc
    206. A Friend of Bill's = T.O.M.
    207. Our Changing World = sssarawolf
    208. What Will Happen = T.O.M.
    209. The Storyteller (Open Story) = Members
    210. Frugal's After the Fall (Open Story) = Members
    211. Uncertain Future = Citizen Zero
    212. The Apprentice = T.O.M.
    213. Our Changed World II = sssarawolf
    214. A Family Alone = T.O.M.
    215. New Beginnings = KellyQ
    216. In Times of Trouble = Nobody
    217. A New Day of Infamy = Jerry D Young
    218. Freedom's Tears = Walrus2034 (Poem)
    219. Lessons Learned = kable
    220. Jim and Becky = T.O.M.
    221. Shooters Exodus = Greene
    222. Catalyst Revolutionary = Chilli
    223. Homeland Amerika = UnidenSoup
    224. American Nightmare = TomK
    225. H.J.J.C. and Associates = Greene
    226. The Truth of Scum = Destro
    227. Reluctant Warrior = Delta
    228. Best Laid Plans = fleataxi
    229. Lost = Big T
    230. The American Dream = T.O.M.
    231. The Last Stand = fleataxi
    232. The End of Days = thystlemoon
    233. The Family Farm = T.O.M.
    234. Three Amigos Part X = T.O.M.
    235. Back on The Farm = Delta Six
    236. The Carpenter Papers = The Freeholder
    237. Special Investigative Unit: Creepshow = Greene
    238. A Home of Their Own = T.O.M.
    239. The Ark - Extended Version = Raider Nation
    240. The Accidental Survivalist = Raider Nation
    241. Down the Hole = sssarawolf
    242. Oh, No! = Destro
    243. The Scavenger = Nobody
    244. Lottery = jeber431
    245. The Ledgend of Ned Wrecker = test
    246. A Single Tear = Tennessee Boy
    247. A Million to Nowhere = Raider Nation
    248. Dardalus = fleataxi
    249. The Boys of '66 = Irish Jaeger
    250. Joy's Journey = JoyFilled
    251. Threat Assessment = Storm57
    252. The Asian Question = T.O.M.
    253. A Christmas Fire = panxerx
    254. 3 Long Years = SP10
    255. Rudy's Prepardness Shop = Jerry D Young
    256. In The Aftermath = T.O.M.
    257. Man! It's Cold Outside = Jerry D Young
    258. Bug Out = Halffast
    259. Fired! = Siskiyoumom
    260. My View = BuiltBig
    261. China Lake = T.O.M.
    262. All In Vain = Marine
    263. A Knife in the Night = KCTreeguy
    264. The Day Ike Feared Most = Kenneth of NC
    265. E & E = Marine
    266. The Roadrunner = fleataxi
    267. The Rod of Aaron = Kable
    268. Rainy Daze = antik survivors
    269. Shake, Rattle and Roll = Clan DireWolf
    270. The Ides of March = wrangler
    271. Refining Fire = erl
    272. The Mission Field = erl
    273. The Water Glass = erl
    274. In Harm's Way = Raider Nation & T.O.M.
    275. The Fall of the Giant and Rise of the Eagle = Rhino458
    276. Reap the Whirl Wind = Devilen
    277. Bring Out Your Dead = SP10
    278. While Mortals Sleep = erl
    279. The Countergroomer = Amberchrome<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

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  4. beast

    beast backwoodsman

    not all survival knowledge comes from EOTW tales
    there are a lot of simple living skills that are must haves
    the "foxfire" books have many of these
    also m.g.kains "five acres and independence"
    readers digest's "back to basics" is another informative read

    knowing how to do the basics without power will save your ass
    when you least expect it, and knowing that you know this stuff
    gives you an edge over panic
     
  5. Yoldering

    Yoldering Monkey+

    My uncle taught me about applying glow in the dark paint to the sights of my firearms. I kept thinking he would bring that up. This stuff glows for a long time with the quick charge of a flashlight. it really works on all firearms.

    Back on topic, this was the first SHTF book I had ever read and I cannot tell you all of the things I have learned from it.
     
  6. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Surviving is not just buying a year's supply of food from Mountain House but thinking ahead and buying a manual can opener, having unbreakable dishes/silverware, condiments to accent the food, even napkins, and then TP to dispose of it in style-lol. It is a mind set and way of living so that when you have to there will be NO panic but a smooth transition. It is the ability to communicate with and interact with those nearby or invited in when there is no electricity. It is the ability to protect yours and loved ones and be protected by them. Remember the old country boy song--he should be able to fish/hunt/run a trap line/etc/etc. Surviving is not just about preps but a way of thinking. Preplanning is an essential part of it. What will you do if........ where will you go if........etc. "Crisis is the absence of preparation".
     
  7. Yoldering

    Yoldering Monkey+

    That brings up a good point. I never hear anyone talking about how much TP they need to have. My wife keeps about a two year supply on hand no matter what. You know TP is one of the MAIN things you need to have after food, water, first-aid, ect...
     
  8. beast

    beast backwoodsman

    lol, cornhusks, leaves, leather and worn out clothing suffice
    tp isnt heavy, but it takes a lot of space if youre on the move
     
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