Lincoln was a Liar, a Tyrant, and Corporate Tool....

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by tacmotusn, Jan 11, 2011.

  1. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    It was also well controlled by the European banking interests, who had their hands in all sorts of dealings, using foreign military troops to pressure Lincoln into making terrible decisions. The man had to choose from being occupied by foreign armies lined up in Canada and in Mexico, or fight a war with the south and risk never having a union. The bankers later received their National Banking Act and assassinated Lincoln to protect their interests.

    I am sick of hearing lies about how corrupt Lincoln was.
  3. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    Corrupt or weak pawn makes little difference. He was the so called head of the nation at the time the worst destruction and precedent to further destruction to the Constitution occured. The worst of the worst, whether you like it or believe it. We may have to just agree to disagree on this one. Sorry.
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  4. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Well we can certainly disagree, bud. I have no problem with that. I was just hoping you can see that Lincoln was surrounded by greedy, evil men who only wanted to destroy the republic for Britain to control. There is no denying the fact that Lincoln did take extraordinary steps, to include enacting emergency war powers and creating the federal mess we still have today -but his choice was either to do little harm in order to ensure unity, or to acquiesce and permit the banking elite to have total reign over our republic. The bankers knew very well that Lincoln was an ardent patriot; he loved America and he wanted nothing more than to hold the union together. In all his words ever spoken, none were repeated more than his desire for the union of the states. As a divided nation, we were doomed to fall into the clutches of the money masters. Why was Lincoln assassinated in office?

    “The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers…The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of the Government, but it is the Government’s greatest creative opportunity…By the adoption of these principles…the taxpayer will be saved immense sums of interest. The financing of all public enterprises…will become matters of practical administration. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.” – 1863, President Abraham Lincoln

    “I fear that foreign bankers with their…tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it systematically to corrupt modern civilization. They will not hesitate to plunge the whole world into wars and chaos in order that the earth should become their inheritance.” – Otto von Bismarck, Chancellor of Germany; in response to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln

    The American colonists experimented for 100 years with printing their own money. The best system was in colonial Pennsylvania, highly praised by Benjamin Franklin. The private European bankers finally convinced the King to forbid the colonists from printing their own money, forcing them to only use silver and to borrow from European bankers. The resulting depression/recession was the real cause of the American Revolution.
    Lincoln also learned this lesson. The European bankers wanted to extend Lincoln credit at 36%. He refused, and printed interest-free Greenbacks to fund the Civil War, for which he was ultimately assassinated.

    An 1865 London Times editorial directed against Lincoln's debt-free Greenbacks said it all:
    “If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. That Government must be destroyed, or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.”

    (Lord Goschen, spokesman of the Financiers, wrote this in the London Times. Quote taken from Who Rules America by C. K. Howe, and reproduced in Lincoln Money Martyred by Dr. R. E. Search)
  5. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Abraham Lincoln is assassinated
    [​IMG]Abraham Lincoln was elected President of the United States in 1860, under the promise of abolishing the slavery of the blacks. Eleven southern States, favorable to the human slavery of the black race, then decided to secede from the Union, to withdraw from the United States of America: that was the beginning of the Civil War (1861–1865). Lincoln, being short of money to finance the North's war effort, went to the bankers of New York, who agreed to lend him money at interest rates varying from 24 to 36 percent. Lincoln refused, knowing perfectly well that this was usury and that it would lead the United States to ruin. But his money problem was still not settled!
    His friend in Chicago, Colonel Dick Taylor, came to his rescue and put the solution to him:
    “Just get Congress to pass a bill authorizing the printing of full legal tender treasury notes, and pay your soldiers with them, and go ahead and win your war with them also.”
    This is what Lincoln did, and he won the war: between 1862 and 1863, in full conformity with the provisions of the U.S. Constitution, Lincoln caused $450 million of debt-free Greenbacks to be issued, to conduct the Civil War. (These Treasury notes were called “Greenbacks” by the people because they were printed with green ink on the back.)
    Lincoln called these Greenbacks “the greatest blessing the American people have ever had.” A blessing for all, except for the bankers, since it was putting an end to their racket, to the stealing of the nation's credit and issuing interest-bearing money. So they did everything possible to destroy these Greenbacks and sabotage Lincoln's work. Lord Goschen, spokesman of the Financiers, wrote in the London Times (Quote taken from Who Rules America by C. K. Howe, and reproduced in Lincoln Money Martyred by Dr. R. E. Search):
    “If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. That Government must be destroyed, or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.” (The monarchy of the money lenders.)
    First, in order to cast discredit on the Greenbacks, the bankers persuaded Congress to vote, in February of 1862, the “Exception Clause”, which said that the Greenbacks could not be used to pay the interest on the national debt, nor to pay taxes, excises, or import duties. Then, in 1863, having financed the election of enough Senators and Representatives, the bankers got the Congress to revoke the Greenback Law in 1863, and enact in its place the National Banking Act. (Money was then to be issued interest-bearing by privately-owned banks.)
    This Act also provided that the Greenbacks should be retired from circulation as soon as they came back to the Treasury in payment of taxes. Lincoln heatedly protested, but his most urgent objective was to win the war and save the Union, which obliged him to put off till after the war the veto he was planning against this Act and the action he was to take against the bankers. Lincoln nevertheless declared:
    “I have two great enemies, the Southern army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. And of the two, the bankers are my greatest foe.”
    Lincoln was re-elected President in 1864, and he made it quite clear that he would attack the power of the bankers, once the war was over. The war ended on April 9, 1865, but Lincoln was assassinated five days later, on April 14. A tremendous restriction of credit followed, organized by the banks: the currency in circulation in the country, which was, in 1866, $1,907 million, representing $50.46 for each American citizen, had been reduced to $605 million in 1876, representing $14.60 per capita. The result: in ten years, 56,446 business failures, representing a loss of $2 billion. And as if this was not enough, the bankers reduced the per capita currency in circulation to $6.67 in 1887!
    William Jennings Bryan: “The banks ought to get out”
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    </td> </tr> </tbody></table> Lincoln's example nevertheless remained in several minds, as far along as 1896. That year, the Presidential candidate for the Democrats was William Jennings Bryan, and once again, history textbooks tell us that it was a good thing that he did not succeed in his bid for the Presidency, since he was against the bankers' “sound money”, the money issued as a debt, and against the gold standard. Bryan said:
    “We say in our platform that we believe that the right to coin and issue money is a function of Government. We believe it. Those who are opposed to it tell us that the issue of paper money is a function of the bank, and that the Government ought to get out of the banking business. I tell them that the issue of money is a function of Government, and that the banks ought to get out of the Government business... When we have restored the money of the Constitution, all other necessary reforms will be possible, but until this is done, there is no other reform that can be accomplished.”

    Link for more info: Chapter 49 — The History of Banking Control in the United States
  6. Joseph Thomas

    Joseph Thomas Monkey+

    I don't think it matters one twit if it is the government or bankers issuing the money. Neither will follow the constitution and will be looking to game the system to better their position. Always been this way and always will. Anchor the currency on a monetary measure such as the price of gold or silver and even though you will have depressions occasionally you will not destroy the peoples wealth.
  7. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I respectfully disagree. The idea that only gold and silver can offer true stability is a myth often perpetrated by the very people who use the gold standard as a means to gain control of the banking system. It happened with the colonies, and it is the very same method the international bankers gained a foothold to our monetary system to begin with. It has been used countless times in the past, since all that needs to be done is withdraw the amount of gold from circulation and announce a gold shortage, then usher in the solution. However, I will say that a strictly silver backed currency is far safer than the gold standard, but it is by no means near secure and stable compared to the Lincoln Greenback. I would accept a silver backed currency, but only if we also rid ourselves of private banking.

    YouTube - The Secret of Oz - English -

    I find this documentary quite informative. I do not agree that a precious metals based currency, or one which is backed by precious metals is the right way to go. Of course, no matter our philosophy, we still must deal with the privatization of banks, which is the true danger.
  8. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I agree with the foreign pressures argument and the desire to hold the Union together but ultimately it is the presidents choice to bow to those pressures or to circumvent the constitution to achieve their goals. That makes them a tyrant no matter how lofty their goals might have been. Lincoln did more to gut the constitution and to establish the federal juggernaut that we have today than any president before.
    The next great blow came from another who was manipulated and controlled by foreign interests. But was Woodrow Wilson innocent also? No, another tyrant who is responsible for further eroding the liberties and freedoms that this nation was founded on.
  9. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Wilson was no doubt a fool, and his dying words prove this. The single greatest tyrant we have ever had was undoubtedly FDR, who created the current day emergency of war powers status, the martial law doctrine we still live under, making every president a dictator (Title 12, USC Section 95(b)), and forming the most massive alphabet agency government ever conceived. Roosevelt was the banker's puppet, and just like Wilson, he was duped by Mandell House and the banking elite...except FDR actually committed himself to the cause.

    I concede that Lincoln did over-step his boundaries, but as I have already shown, he did not have any alternative. If he did not do what he did, we would have had British rule in the 1860's. He was assassinated before he could put an end to the banking act -that is his only true mistake. It isn't his fault that our Congress was stacked; not every president can be as fortunate to have lived in the time of Andrew Jackson.
  10. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    The ultimate cause is debatable, but that is little consolation to those Southern land owners and families who lost all to the northern carpetbaggers, or had their homes fired and razed to the ground by invading soldiers for no other reason than "they was rebels!"
    There is no glory in war, and 'collateral damage' is always a fact - but what Mr. Lincoln allowed his commanders to do was reprehensible. So no matter what pressures he was under from foreign intrests, the sad fact is he WAS a tyrant in the eyes of us who live here and remember our family histories.
    Doing wrong for the 'right' reason is still wrong.
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  11. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    I completely disagree with pressures from England. They didn't like us and though they were humiliated in many defeats, it was a long time since 1815. In-fact, many ranking soldiers in both the Union army and the Confederate army were British soldiers. Most, however, sided with the south because of the commerce the south provided to Europe. Additionally, many people from Canada West, at the time, joined the north and some the south. Canada was very prosperous during this time due to the amount of agriculture bought from the north to feed the troops.

    This notion that we would have been attacked from Britain is, IMO, untrue. It was purely pressures and slight of hand from the banks. Lincoln either didn't know this (which I find untrue) or he was a great actor in the game.
  12. Disciple

    Disciple Monkey+

    I honestly thought the destruction of our country was started down this road by Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, I can track some back to Andrew Jackson and his Manifest Destiny.
  13. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    A Lincoln quote on Slavery...

    "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause."

    Lincoln seems to support the claim that the entire "recent unpleasentness" occured as a result of trying to keep the union together...

    The Race question arose following the conscription riots in New York and a need to have a "higher" reason to continue the war while paintiong the North in a positive light for the europeans nations...
  14. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    Read my second post "Lincoln part Two, the Constitution". The linked piece I mean.
  15. Idahoser

    Idahoser Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I am by no means a scholar on the subject, but it seems perfectly obvious to me that the Republic died when the right of the states, who created the federal government, lost the ability to leave it if they chose to. That was the end of the Republic, and the Constitution as the foundation of it. We have pretended since then that we are still a republic, but it isn't so.
    The 17th Amendment was the end of the pretense. Now it's just a myth.

    The recent whining about the 10th Amendment and states' rights is completely without teeth. When the states get their representation back in the capitol, I will begin to believe we are serious. But without the 17th being repealed, there is no such thing as a state, we are a State.
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  16. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I cannot argue with that. [applaud]
  17. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    Wait a minute...
    It was President Abraham Lincoln who said:

  18. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    (y)It was the banking interests who funded the armies to threaten Lincoln. Napoleon’s nephew wanted to recognize the Confederacy, which could have ruined Lincoln’s hopes for victory, and he sent an army to conquer Mexico – this is the origin of the Mexican holiday of Cinco de Mayo.
  19. ProfessorRico

    ProfessorRico Monkey+

    Everyone should start flying the "Stars and Bars" flag, not the Battle Cross that offends everyone. The S&B flag is modeled after the US flag, and has the same Republic appearance of a conglomerate of individual nation-states. That site, while awesome, should post more S&B flags. Just my opinion.
  20. jim2

    jim2 Monkey+++

    Fly the battle flag BECAUSE it offends the fools among us.
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