Local Cops Ready for War

Ill go with that and if we are going back to the bad old days, when what you wrote was the way it was, I get a percentage of the fines for the tickets I write and the guns I confiscate are turned over to me by the court.

Everybody want to go back to the good old days without really knowing what they were. Community policing where the cop walked the beat and knew everybody. The nice Officer also beat the **** out of little Johnny when he lipped off and there was no accountability.

The stuff issued by the department belongs to the department and goes to the next officer when one leaves.

 

Meanwhile my lone cop drives a 10 year old 4x4 with 220k miles on it, has a radar gun that only works if you hold it a certain way, and a radio that works half the time. Wonder if they'd mind sending me some of their castoff equipment....

 

I'm fine with that scenario. Apparently if Little Johnny's dad would've whipped his ass the good officer wouldn't have had to step up and do it for him. Something bout taking a village and all

 

I have no problem with them being properly armed and armored, as long as they're still loyal to the public. When facing a Columbine senario, they need to be able to throw a vest on, grab the rifle and take care of business. Most are forced by Dept. regs to await backup, and that can take an unacceptably long time. The individual officer needs to have the equipment, mindset and training to go in and take care of business in a timely manner. Most of them are very willing to do so at the risk of their lives, and that is how it should be.

It doesn't matter what they are armed with as long as they view themselves as protectors of the public. If they don't, and look at it as a We/They thing, then no good will come of it if they are armed with slingshots. Where their loyalty lies is the main factor.
jim

 

One thing alot of people don't under stand is here there are five of us one Deputy per shift. If the need for back up arises we are looking at 15min to an hour. we are a rual county alot of wood lands when a call comes out it is one Deputy I have handled calls of 10 drunks fighting at a party in the middle of the woods no way for any body to find me if I didi need help. The extra fire power and armor could one day save my life and get me home to the wife and kids. When given a call I have driven an hour up a unmarked hollor and when I get there found meth labs, marijuana field, shine still. Believe me these people will kill you roll you in a mining crack and forget about you. We are going up against small zombie armies of meth heads alone. If you ever fight a man triping on meth it's like trying to fight superman. Most of the time they don't go down with one shot, I seen a guy shot 26 times and 16 rounds in vital organs he still managed to put off 200 rounds with and AK74 finally the brain told the body him, he was dead. As A Deputy here I know for a fact on 90% of my calls I am out gunned 10 to 1. Now I'm not complaining I love my job and knew what it held for me 17 years ago when I was a boot. Im just saying as long as you have a good group of level headed officer's who serve the community and respects his badge and honor's his job why not give him the needed tools to protect himself so he can protect the citizens. Look at it now how many L.E.O.'s are going in on calls Knowing this is the one and I dont have what I need but there are citizens in there. He goes in and dies to protect the citizens leaving a wife and children behind. Ask BTPost about the Trooper's in Alaska.

 

I understand your situation, and hope you don't feel that my post was intended as a negative one.

Sounds like your S.O. needs to get some qualified volunteers to help out the overloaded deputies. Many Chiefs and Sherriffs do not like that as it negatively impacts numbers of payed LEO's it does draw the community and LEO's together. While I would never bust s still, dopers beware.
jim

 

No I was just trying to let some of the ones who live in places that have large dept. know that out in rual places it's different. No I don't mess with the shiner's to often good ol boy's just feeding their families. At least once a year I find a small box att my drive way with a little jar of thanks in it. We use it and make cough syrup. Plus every once in awhile Ill take a little nip just to test for quality(lol)

 

My youngest son is best friends with our local cop... last week me and the boys had to help him push his pickup up the driveway and into the shop so we could fix the starter...

Know what's the best part of making friends with the cops in small town USA... they let me pony my own orders in for Hydro-shock ammo so I get the same discount

 

BT I really liked the story.

ghrit I agree alot of the city PD's have things they shouldn't and have no idea of what the equipment is and should be used for. Around here if something bad happens the locals call us in and the troops. Which we have all the black BDU's, vest, helments even pretty shiny guns I like to shoot. 99.9% of the time when I go into a situation I walk in in my class A's or the class B's which are tan pants and a black polo. I have very little trouble with people. for the most part they know they have screwed up and are scared. seeing me they feel they can try to explain some type of reasoning. Now I run up in there like Jonny Law in my nice S.W.A.T. outfit that takes away one of my tools of dealing with that person. I had a problem A few year back because most of the time when Im on duty I just wear my gun. No expandable baton, no spray any way I get to a house and 3 guys are inside that had beat this guy up and took like $30.00 well I go in the house and these guy's was from Alanta. The one said hey there are 3 of us and 1 of you I said yes sir and then he said you dont have a night Stick or mace what if we just whooped your a$$? I said sir that can happen but before we go any furter let me explain your first obsevation and they just looked at me. I said if I carried a night stick and pepper spray I would have to explain why I pulled my pistol and shot you. He said what I said yes the court would say was the men unarmed and Id have to say yes. Then they would ask why didn't you Deputy use your night stick or pepper spray to bring them under control? I can say I didn't have any at the time which 3 on 1 justifie's my use of deadly force. The guy said you said shoot me and I said yes sir you are the one with all the mouth so you have to be the leader of the other 2 when I shoot you they are lost which will give me time to shoot the second one. The third one I will probally have to chase a little while then articulate why he was shot in the woods. But I will be the only witness left so. Any way while talking I had pulled my weapon they never seen it When they did see it they advised me of what a crazy bleep I was and went to jail. From that day on I earned the respect of the people here. Mountain people are a different breed and if you get there respect they are friends for life.

 

I didn't put it in but the point of my story was I did my job didn't need a tank, fully auto weapon and a team of 6 storm troopers. I just used the old school training I was given.

 

You got that right!

 

I have one part time marshal on staff here. PART TIME. He shares a 10 x 18 office with my part time judge. Funny thing we found out about having a City Marshal. We can't have reserve deputies. Sheriff Dept can, City Police can, but not a Marshal's office. TCLOSE won't allow it. We don't seem to qualify for any LE grants because the town is 100% cracker. Never mind 70% of the populace living at or under the poverty level, or that we have almost zero commercial tax base for income. Unlike our "poverty stricken" residents, we can't manufacture meth to make money and so I spend much of my time figuring out which bill I can put off a little longer. The only thing we can provide our overtaxed part time cop is the aforementioned 10 year old truck, a fickle radar gun, and a narcoleptic radio. Fortunately my guy works full time in another county so he makes enough to provide most of his equipment but I am ashamed to ask him to try to do his job with substandard equipment and the nearest backup 15-20 minutes away.

When I read stories about place that get tons of gear such as the OP, it just makes me want to beat my head against the wall. Two years ago a cracked out stoner walked into my office with a gun, and informed me I needed to get EMS there immediately because he was going to kill himself. A few days earlier he had been in front of his house across the street shooting it with a .22. I was completely alone. My part time marshal is only around in the evenings. It took another Marshal from the nearest town 18 minutes to get to my office. I found out later that Marshal's bosses took him to task for hauling butt over to our town, and "wasting gas".

People have no idea what rural cops deal with, or how little support they receive from their elected bosses sometimes. Yeah, maybe they know what they are getting into as far as the job goes, but I think it's effin shameful for any municipality to ask them to do their job without providing them with the best equipment available. Not a tank, mind you, but it shouldn't be too much to ask to provide them with decent weapons, vests, vehicles, and assistance.

Rant over.

I also think it's an effin crime to tell govt employees they cannot carry a gun into the office. But that's a rant for another day because my lunch break is over.

 

The City of Austin has Deputy Marshall's, how does TCLOSE come off pulling that kind of stunt with a small town? Might it be possible to have your State Rep or Senator contact TCLOSE in your behalf?

I'm wondering if a Posse might be possible in this situation? Elected officials can usually form one, and a City Marshall is elected. Just thinking aloud.

jim

 

I have heard that there are some LEO's that plan to take and and and oh ya hide all that stuff when the shtf

 

Our City Marshal isn't elected, he's hired. He had arranged for us to have 3 reserve deputies, had the uniforms and badges, and then word comes down the pike from TCLOSE that we can't have one. Makes no sense to me. Didn't to that Marshal either, and he quit, ran for Sheriff in another county and won. Hired the next guy willing to take the job. If we had to elect them we'd be in a real mess considering they rarely last more than a year.

 

For the real rough and ready

 

Probably the only DD that delivers......

 

From my recent experence of listening to conversations between SOs and POs a lot of them are more paranoid of the Goverment and better prepped than most of us!!!