M193 5.56 MM MEN Experience

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by Tackleberry, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. Tackleberry

    Tackleberry Krieg Hündchen

    Has anyone here had experience with the German MEN manufactured 5.56mm M193 ammo? I am curious about velocity, groups and reliability.
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  2. sec_monkey

    sec_monkey SM Security Administrator

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  3. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    I had some experience with it years back, seemed a little hotter then the stuff we were issued at the time ( believe it was Lake city, but could be wrong) and accuracy was within requirements from the M-4 of less then 3in at 100 meters consistently. I remember it shot a little high on the standard A-2 M16 sights, and that was with a 20 inch barrel, don't remember it being high with the M-4, but i'm a little fuzzy on it. For what it's worth, it seemed to be good and reliable, with maybe a failure of one in 1000, pretty good actually!
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  4. sec_monkey

    sec_monkey SM Security Administrator

    some sources say that they were bought by CBC Group [ Brazil ] several years ago, plus it appears they are no longer selling on the consumer market, military n police sales only** supposedly ..

    however the luckygunner seems to have some Magtech/MEN ammo Search results for: 'MEN'

    CBC Group owns CBC, Magtech, MEN, plus Sellier & Bellot.
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  5. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    If that's the case, be ware of the Sellier&Bellot stuff, it's questionable quality, and tends to run on the low end and dirty, not what you want in a gas driven auto! If it were me, I would score some of the PPU/Privi Partisen stuff, I have been most impressed with it's performance in every chambering I have tried, so much so, that I bought several cases of it in several flavors!
  6. Tackleberry

    Tackleberry Krieg Hündchen

    Thank you for the replies.
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  7. Tackleberry

    Tackleberry Krieg Hündchen

    Some of the Privy I have reloaded had soft case heads; ripped off the resizing press.
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  8. sec_monkey

    sec_monkey SM Security Administrator

    Magtech/MEN is still made in Germany .. should be gud stuff (y) (y)

    [dunno] about Magtech not made in Germany
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  9. Tackleberry

    Tackleberry Krieg Hündchen

    I dont
    Think they own MEN, only import their product.

    I acquired some recently and fired some to check reliability. At 100 yards with a human silhouette gong there were consistant hits. No issues from my rifle, was curious about others. Have not checked groups or velocity....that will come.

    So far the MEN seems cleaner than Lake City, Guatamalan and Malaisan M193. In fact, the exterier of the spent brass looks cleaned immediately after firing. The BCG was not very dirty after about 120 rounds either. Surprised.
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  10. sec_monkey

    sec_monkey SM Security Administrator

    here is the German wiki page MEN – Metallwerk Elisenhütte – Wikipedia

    it does state CBC Group [ Brazil ] is the parent company

    methinks Metallwerk Elisenhütte Gmbh still has a production facility in Germany

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  11. Tackleberry

    Tackleberry Krieg Hündchen

    Sec-Monkey, very interesting.
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  12. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Wow. Read the fine print, CBC owns magtech ammo, S&B and a few others interesting operations, makes it all in Brazil and sends it wherever. I did NOT know that. I knew S&B was imported but somehow thought it was European.
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  13. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    The PPU stuff I have reloaded (5.56, 7.62X51, &.62X63, and 10 mm Auto) never had any issues with case head separation or any signs of "soft" brass, don't know if your stuff might have been an older batch or something, but I havnt had any issues! @Tully Mars, 3M-TA3, or @Seacowboys might have some insight and/or experience here!
  14. sec_monkey

    sec_monkey SM Security Administrator

    @ghrit it is

    Sellier & Bellot is or at least was made in the Czech Republic

    it was acquired in 2009
  15. Tackleberry

    Tackleberry Krieg Hündchen

    The battle packs of it I bought (at least a decade ago) were marked made in Serbia. It was M193 5.56mm. It was good shooting ammo, but I had several come apart on the press....i quit reloading it. Never used other clamberings with this brand.

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  16. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    I've had a lot of trouble with supposedly top tier brass that I've stuck with Lake City for things my life may depend on. All my 5.56 and 7.62 is Lake City brass whether I bought it loaded or not. I'll take a look at PPU. I figure IWI is good as well.
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